| Steven Ryan (Golden Rainbow) | Tuesday, April 10, 2012 - 03:15 pm 
This has too be the last straw automatic selling of your weapons and ammo to raise the cash needed if your country is running short ie a temp measure sell off your assets and the problem is still there when those funds run out wtf |
| Laguna | Tuesday, April 10, 2012 - 03:31 pm
See!?! |
| Steven Ryan (Golden Rainbow) | Tuesday, April 10, 2012 - 03:31 pm
ive been collecting weapons for ten real years a lot of expense and time this together with the recent fiancial changes is the worst updates i have ever seen the game appears ruined |
| Andy | Tuesday, April 10, 2012 - 06:16 pm
You cant have millions of missiles and
-2.000.000.000 in construction.
just purchase the construction units and there will be no problem.
The issue here is that some countries are just bankrupt.
If they have no cash and huge shortages and the total value of their materials and cash + loans is negative what do you call it?
so there is a possibility to just bankrupt the country, remove and reset or try to save it.
the numbers are very small. These are players who did not login into these countries for some time
and in fact have already given them up.
Instead of canceling them which will move some debt to another country they do play, they just leave them there.
If the player does not login and fix it by himself, the country will either be saved by the sale of assets or bankrupted.
we used to bankrupt countries in the past when they had smaller problems.
We probably need to revue this and return to early bankruptcy to prevent a problem in a single country from destroying the entire account. |
| Steven Ryan | Wednesday, April 11, 2012 - 02:34 am
Countries are going bankrupt because of the new changes compenstate everyone and fix the problem not take everyones assetts as well so they also become defenceless after years of hard work |
| Steven Ryan | Wednesday, April 11, 2012 - 02:35 am
i regulary log in but i aint spending anymore money on somthing thats broken |
| Nicolas Fernandez Ponce (White Giant) | Wednesday, April 11, 2012 - 03:14 am
True 
Andy, you have already admitted that wars are far too expensive. Large countries at war requires LARGE LARGE LARGE weapons active.
Under such scenario, the country will lose hundreds of billions every single game month simply because the "Total Defense Cost" are super high. In the worst scenario being on LU world... you could end losing >2-2.5 Trillions per real day.
With your latest changes, reducing our game-month country profit, this is just worst.
There is no point in using 100 gold coins to buy a couple trillions game cash, go to war and cross-fingers trying to conquer your enemy in two days tops before you run out of cash and your WEAPONS begin to be sold to gain game cash you will lose again in one or two game months.
Numbers are proportional to the player size. It's not something that only affect large countries.
Trying to be positive and proactive, I suggest you the following:
A - Give us the option to use at least ONE option.... Sell Weapons (Batteries/Ammo) or Sell Goods.
B - Sell only Goods. (one option only)
C - Set a limit for this (bad) new feature where it will only takes place/starts when the negative cash (including taken loans) is 15T. |
| Gothamloki (Little Upsilon) | Wednesday, April 11, 2012 - 03:29 am
Auto sales should only occur after loans are exhausted. |
| Nicolas Fernandez Ponce (White Giant) | Wednesday, April 11, 2012 - 03:36 am
However,
I still think you keep trying to patch gaps instead of solving from root.
Negative resources quantities HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH GAME CASH.
Take a look at my main on White Giant (The Punisher).
Currently I have a negative quantity of Military Services of -20,777,934,465.
Where the surplus for such product is......
-13,200,691,548
Yeah I know, my country demands more quantity than the world as a whole can offer, I rock hahaha, no, really it sucks and something is wrong.
"The Punisher" has more than 6T in cash for weeks already and I still have negative numbers on Military Services.
The same was happening with Aircraft Fuel... and it got solved only when I dismantle around 300 Air Transport Units.
Point is, if I happen to have negative Cash on this country, you will start (starting April 17) to sell our weapons THINKING that it will solve this issue WHILE IT WILL NOT.
Don't misunderstood me, though. I do not dislike this feature as a whole, I just think it needs a severe update on it's scope before it's installed.
There is an issue behind this you must solve before implementing something like this.
And on the same path, it is not fair who has been stocking up batteries/ammo for real years to see them gone for not fixed bugs. Even if Steve use them on me :D, It's still not fair though.
Give us the availability to choose whether to sell goods or weapons + add a limit on negative game cash when this auto-sell feature begins. |
| Andy | Wednesday, April 11, 2012 - 09:51 am
Recent changes reduced negative results in any country that had larger cost than income.
This is very clear on all worlds as the cost of everything went down a lot.
War is expensive but recent changes have reduced the cost of weapons, ammunition, reduced the numbers of weapons lost in war and thus the cost of war went down a lot.
Nobody bankrupted as a result of our changes and any claim otherwise is simply untrue. we will wait to hear the name of such a country and world.
We advise anyone making such claims to immediately include some specific names or otherwise the claim sounds empty.
Big wars are and will remain expensive though, and there is no way to finance a 5.000.000 army with the income of a single country and fight wars.
Shortages of products in countries can have several reasons.
1. The country is not buying automatically and the player just stopped buying the product.
2. The country has negative cash and the automatic buying stopped. If the country has no money, it cannot purchase products.
3. The product can be in such a shortage that a country does not get any for a long time. In such a case, it makes sense to build a corporation and contract all its production to your own country.
4. In very large population countries, spending space could be exhausted due to large spending. This problem will be reduced with the reduction of the price of products. we might increase the spending space in the short run. |
| Andy | Wednesday, April 11, 2012 - 10:13 am
Nicolas,
you have a spending space problem in this country with 290M people.
we will solve it but you will need to place orders for these services and close the gap. |
| Andy | Wednesday, April 11, 2012 - 10:24 am
Steven,
I just checked to find these bankrupted countries and you account is doing great.
despite a huge army and thousands of Ts in military assets, none of the countries is even close to bankruptcy.
You also have a very large empire on GR and as a result, very high government cost.
Your 2 enterprises are making a lot of profit and compensate for nearly all the losses caused by the huge armies.
please give some data on where you see these bankruptcies. |
| Steven Ryan (Golden Rainbow) | Wednesday, April 11, 2012 - 11:26 am
Anthrax on lu debt -5,600.00B SC$
Botulism on lu debt -6,890.00B SC$
Creed on lu debt -9,320.00B SC$
Don on lu debt -5,200.00B SC$
Hitman on lu debt -8,050.00B SC$
Striker on lu debt -7,540.00B SC$
Vendetta on lu debt -6,690.00B SC$
don on fb debt -6,480.00B SC$
Anthrax on gr -4,632.00B SC$
Garrotte on gr -5,467.00B SC$
Hectors Dream on gr -7,625.00B SC$
Hitman on gr -10,485.00B SC$
When you look into the abyss on gr 7,560.00B
Soul Collector on gr -3,440.00B SC$
theres around 75 trillion in debt when before the changes i was in surplus plus i have put around 40 trillion back into these countries and they still continue to decline |
| Steven Ryan | Wednesday, April 11, 2012 - 11:29 am
my enterprise sith on gr debt of 1,020.00B
my enterprise on lu surplus of 2,622.11B i find it hard to belive my enterprise are holding up the ship with a 70 to a hundred plus trillion shortfall |
| Andy | Wednesday, April 11, 2012 - 12:25 pm
You have two enterprises making more than 300B per game month.
You have now more countries than before, 13 in one empire and 10 in another. I checked the history.
this increased your gov. cost by about 40%.
reduce to under 10 countries and it will much lower. probably will eliminate any losses.
Government cost is extremely high in those two empires, despite a significant reduction as you can see in the history graphs.
also, you have increased your army, and although cost has been reduced, you keep huge armies. the value of weapons and ammunition is in many cases several hundreds Trillions per country. (after a significant reduction in their price.)
Keeping such huge armies is a choice you made and it costs.
In the countries I looked at, cost of government was at least twice the country loss. The cost of government + the military amounted to more than 70% of the total cost.
The account can be balanced easily by a reduction of the number of countries by 5 (as it was several months ago) and better management of the cost of the army.
(even more weapons into the reserves, lower quality of mil. supplies and mil. services).
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| Laguna | Wednesday, April 11, 2012 - 10:58 pm
Then sell the weapons only and leave the ammo for last.
Also, what is the sale strategy the game is using? |
| Andy | Thursday, April 12, 2012 - 09:33 am
We will probably take a couple of percents of everything and sell it at market price.
the number of cases is small. |
| Steven Ryan | Thursday, April 12, 2012 - 11:05 am
i dont wont my stuff touched that i have paid for what if im on holidays auto matic selling of asset never heard of it u dont see countries in real life selling their weapons to get out of debt wtf |
| Crafty | Thursday, April 12, 2012 - 01:17 pm
Actually Steven, you do. The UK is a prime example, selling off military, cancelling contracts for new stuff etc. LMAO, Gordon Brown even sold our gold reserves off at less than 1/2 their value to raise cash.
Do you really want your country like N.Korea where the citizens are starving, have no infrastructure and generally live a shitty existence so the country can keep a massive military? |
| Steven Ryan | Thursday, April 12, 2012 - 01:19 pm
yes im not into the new world order and everthing was fine until of late so why do i have too double pay |
