| Sunny (Kebir Blue) | Monday, February 27, 2012 - 01:23 am 
In ONE real day, my finances went from +200b to -200b.
It does fluctuate sometimes, up to like +10b, but NEVER this far down, and it keeps dropping?
Has anyone also got this problem on any worlds? |
| Sunny (Kebir Blue) | Monday, February 27, 2012 - 01:57 am
Disregard. Back to -10b. |
| Sunny (Kebir Blue) | Monday, February 27, 2012 - 08:00 am
Re-Open.
The game is definately fubard up. Again, it's back down to -160b. About 4 other players experiencing the same problem.
To add to the matter, my corps have now just begun, RANDOMLY buying 220q supplies :/. I'm not even set close to that, and only time can tell if changing them will rectify this.
I ask that a GM look into this asap.
Regards
Sunny |
| Sunny (Kebir Blue) | Monday, February 27, 2012 - 09:22 am
Corp value just dropped by 30T in one day. Something is not right here. |
| SuperSoldierRCP | Monday, February 27, 2012 - 06:47 pm
your telling me its been happening for months but the last few weeks have been the worst |
| QueenBikini (White Giant) | Tuesday, February 28, 2012 - 05:43 am
I had this happen on WG but everyone ignored my thread. |
| Tom Morgan | Tuesday, February 28, 2012 - 12:52 pm
Yep. I think the GMs need to recify this problem ASAP, and then leave the game as it is for 3 months (without any new features) until they can iron out the bugs. |
| Andy | Tuesday, February 28, 2012 - 02:15 pm
you should look into the cash flow.
It tells you exactly where cash is going.
all the amounts are there.
All purchases of materials for the population and what the population pays for it, and all the weapons and ammunitions.
if you play for some time, you know that there are fluctuations in cash because materials are stocked for up to 12 months and stocks fluctuate. |
| Gothamloki (Little Upsilon) | Tuesday, February 28, 2012 - 04:02 pm
Maybe we need an easier, better break-down of country finances per month and year.
Some screen (or, empire-specific download) that gives you a very clear idea of all your income and expenses for all departments, including all manually inputted purchases, sales, and cash and material transfers in that time period.
Just needs to be:
BASICS-
Query Start Date, Country Cash, Country Profit/Loss
Query End Date, Country Cash, Country Profit/Loss
DETAILS (by department, and individual items)-
(ex.)
EDUCATION Dept: -154B SC
date, item name, plus/minus $SC
date, item name, plus/minus $SC
MILITARY Dept: -350B SC
blah
blah
Might help answer some these questions.  |
| QueenBikini (White Giant) | Wednesday, February 29, 2012 - 10:35 pm
I am sorry Andy but you are incorrect. Please do not ban me, but there was no trail at all in finance as to where the money went. It simply did not show up as part of revenue from enterprises. No trail, no extra expenditures anywhere else, just went from getting 90 billion a month to 27 billion a month for 2 or 3 months.
I checked everything. I thought perhaps I could find it. There was no reason that the revenue from enterprises would just STOP like like and shrink up from 90 to 27. The enterprises all stayed at 100% hiring and production and sales were not "too high", so no, there was no reason for it. |
| SuperSoldierRCP (Little Upsilon) | Wednesday, February 29, 2012 - 10:45 pm
Andy
Queen is right this must be a GM oversight
Look @ my CEO on LU, Melcorean Producers Inc
Id love to know why i make 200B a month yet i keep losing money and taking loans. In the last 18months ive never dropped below 150B per month YET i keep taking loans and falling into the negative. Not only i just other keep seeing this, and explanation of the issue would be much appreciated |
| Quetzalcoatl (Fearless Blue) | Thursday, March 1, 2012 - 12:54 am
I agreen with the GM, ever since i started up again in Jan I have managed my enterprise with alot more srcutiny, I go over my finances and go over the profit, cash, and debt page in my enterprise adn when i see a company losing mmoney i check to see if it has lost money for two consecutive years, if this is the case i close it right away, i get the cash back and in its place i build a profitable in its place. This has helped me achive almost a 95% + cash inflow into my enterprise. Currently i have 120 Coprs and i am making 75-85B on average every month, and in cash flow to my enterprise i am taking in about 10-20B a month the reason is beucase i do not have un profitable corps taking my cash flow, even with 10 corps losing money and 100 making money you can end up with a negative cash flow beucase those corps require money to be given to them. By doing this i have grown the enterprise from a 2T dollars to 35T with just 100-120 corps. The GM is not wrong in that if you look at your enterprise with more scrutiny you will see where the money is going. Also the same goes for the country. corps that are losign money will take money from your country beuase they need cash to operate, this can erode cash reservers very fast. Ever since i started up i have employed a new managing technique and my corps have never been this profitable and my enterprise and coutnry have never been this much of a cash cow. In fact instead of money being taken away each month from my enterprise by corps that lose money myc ash advances fromt those corps are brining in about 10B a month from only having 112 corps. I am planing on expanding this concept to 200 corps over the next week and closing unprofitable corps that have been like that for more than 2 years to see if the trend continues. |
| Sunny (Kebir Blue) | Thursday, March 1, 2012 - 03:07 am
I second QB and second SS.
Quetz, USE PARAGRAPHS DAMNIT! Lol |
| Quetzalcoatl (Fearless Blue) | Thursday, March 1, 2012 - 03:30 am
Sorry!!! LOL |
| Andy | Thursday, March 1, 2012 - 04:22 pm
The numbers always add up.
please show me a page where the numbers do not add up.
If they do, then you can exactly see where the money went.
This is as old as the game and money is not escaping out of your country or enterprise.
it is either cost, or it sits in the materials purchased.
The cash flow must add up and if it is lower at the end of the month, the numbers should explain.
I would like to see an example. You can mail it or put it right here.
When we compute cost, we do two things:
add to the cost field and reduce the cash.
income increases the income field and increases the cash.
this was tested a zillion times before and after day one and money cannot escape.
and of course, as we all know, we can never be sure for 100%. |
| Sunny (Kebir Blue) | Thursday, March 1, 2012 - 07:40 pm
Explain this please Andy.
Income from corps 325B per month. - December
Income from corps 74b per month - Jan
Out of 300+ corps, about 10 of them are making a loss.
The rest are making 1 - 8b per month with some hitting 22b. How did i go from 88b profit to -190b @ a loss.
My cost went up by 8b. How'd i get a sudden decrease in profits? Furthermore, 90% of my corps are operating @ 20% over the quality, which is nothing. Not to mention, they all in DEMAND of my corps products.
LOVE for you to explain that. I truly would.
Country in name:- Sephiroth |
| Gothamloki (Fearless Blue) | Friday, March 2, 2012 - 02:56 am
I'm bumping my idea for a detailed break-down of all country revenue and expenses. A simple plus/minus per item. Let us review a few months of these numbers and people will figure out what's going on. It's too darn difficult to find the information, and it's not all in the same place. I'm just saying, make it easy for us to answer our own questions. |
| David Walker (Little Upsilon) | Friday, March 2, 2012 - 10:37 am
It is important to note that the aquisition costs for some purchases (especially for enterprises but also countries at the end of the year) from the world market or on contract appear in the cash flow during the update but will change the brought forward balance but it is still correct. |
| David Walker (Kebir Blue) | Friday, March 2, 2012 - 10:41 am
@ Sunny
Enterprise income from CEO corps will go up and down depending on a particular month's sales.
Corporation tax will vary wildly with fluctuating profits.
Profit Transfer which I see is a large item of yours will vary more so, as this profit will not transfer if the cash balance is too low to keep the corporation funded. If the corps made more additions to their supplies stock then the profit transfer would drop and could be held low for a period of time while the cash balance is restored before transfer begin again. |
| Andy (White Giant) | Friday, March 2, 2012 - 03:42 pm
Compare December to January each year. Most times
there will be a larger difference than in other months.
This is because some computations start each year, such as taxes and these are subject to monthly corrections depending on the year to date total profit and year to date tax payments.
Also check your corporations and you will see fluctuations in all costs, depending on the market price and the price you paid in average for the raw materials.
The average changes when you purchase more products.
The total for all corporations also fluctuates. |
| Andy (White Giant) | Friday, March 2, 2012 - 03:50 pm
The computation of corporate finance is done in many details (maybe too many) and even recomputes taxes with back service so that tax amounts change if you have a month of losses or you change the tax percentages.
The back service goes 12 months back.
If you reduce the taxes, you may end up with many months with no taxes at all, until previous tax payment percentages for the entire period decline to the new level.
If you increase, you will face a one time (potentially) very large tax payment.
This is done to prevent fast fluctuations that are designed to reduce taxes when profits are high but they complicate the monthly picture. |
| Sunny (Kebir Blue) | Friday, March 2, 2012 - 11:30 pm
David and Andy,
Thank you for your answers. This has resolved my issue and has given me a better understanding in regards to finances.
Regards
Sunny |
