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Can Any GM please try to explain this: War Engine Fail? (Little Upsilon)

Topics: General: Can Any GM please try to explain this: War Engine Fail? (Little Upsilon)

Psycho_Honey (Little Upsilon)

Wednesday, February 22, 2012 - 07:58 am Click here to edit this post
For two days Steven Ryan has been nuclear bombing David Walker and one of my c3 countries in a dispute over some countries of Zentrino.

I have a fleet, in range of the Country Lexana, currently an open declaration on a member of Stev Ryans federation called "War Ensemble" on LU

I have fired 2 shots on 2 undefended Targets. Both times No damage is reported, Yet the targets are undefended.


My Country Name is: 'Bollocks To You' on Little Upsilon

The Country I am fighting is "Lexana" on LU, Previously owned by Slade, then passed on To Corporate Partner, and now being managed by whoever took over EC's account.

I have fired on Lexana 2 Times with a nuclear Submarine.

Both fired from Fleet:

YERDUNSON
YERDUNSON is a helicopter carrier of Bollocks To You


Position Navy Map

YERDUNSON is not damaged.



Image
Change Defense
1 Nuclear submarine
5 Supply ships
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Bollocks To You Daily Telegraph, Mar 19, 2928
International News


Hostilities between Bollocks To You and Lexana
Bollocks To You fleet 'YERDUNSON' placed a nuclear attack on Roberts strategic airport. No damage to Roberts is reported. On the Lexana side no weapon losses were reported. The weapons chosen by Bollocks To You were not effective in this attack.



Hostilities between Bollocks To You and Lexana
Bollocks To You fleet 'YERDUNSON' placed a nuclear attack on Venedig military base. No damage to Venedig is reported. On the Lexana side no weapon losses were reported. The weapons chosen by Bollocks To You were not effective in this attack.

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Notice How both targets are undefended. Paste from the Radar Plane Report

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Roberts

Roberts is a strategic airport in Lexana. Roberts is not damaged.

No Damage during this mission.
The following weapons were detected at Roberts:
Please note Radar Planes do not detect Airforce Defense capabilities.

Roberts is not defended.



Venedig

Venedig is a military base in Lexana. Venedig is not damaged.

Military base defense garrison
1 Radar Plane was damaged during this mission.
The following weapons were detected at Venedig:
Please note Radar Planes do not detect Airforce Defense capabilities.

Venedig is not defended.


How is this even possible, can you guys please look into and fix this problem or end the wars and return Zentrino's countries back to his account since we can't actually expect to fight an honest war and regain them or exact a just revenge.

SuperSoldierRCP (Fearless Blue)

Wednesday, February 22, 2012 - 08:10 am Click here to edit this post
Wendy and i don't see eye to eye often.

But i do have to agree with her 100% in this case. This isnt a fair for any war. Things like this have been noticed in both PvP and C3 wars. Either attacking with LRDS or nuke this seems to be more common. I personally have had instances where i used 1000tanks/1000artillery attacked a capital took no losses but did no damage.
Theres also been issues like cities moving to random places and capitals changing there names randomly. The GM needs to really redo the war engine. Its apperent that its dead and has been killed. But to have these issues happen when the FEW people who want to war war is unacceptable.

I think a heavy revamp and tweaking are needed.

Nicolas Fernandez Ponce (White Giant)

Wednesday, February 22, 2012 - 04:35 pm Click here to edit this post
Issue list

  • A - Undefended targets are not damaged by nukes



  • B - Defended targets ARE hit by nukes


A - According to the game documentation, Nuclear Batteries doesn't work like Helis/Ints that show up and fire back even if they are not the targeted directly.
That said, I don't know what could be.... maybe it's related to my explanation in point "B"... And for weapon units running out of resources trying to make attacks, their efectiveness becomes random due to that factor, and random could be zero (unless specified on the code with >0 etc).


B - The only thing that came to my mind is an issue with the supply units.
It might be possible that Steve was lucky enough to hit such targets when they were "unavailable" due to lack of gasoline/fuel, etc.
Remember that if a garrison or military unit is not properly supplied the military unit does not fire nor move.

Personally, I found out that 150 supply units (mixed between small and large) were unable to maintain the following army all the time active/up.
35k helis
35k ints
90k mib
90k dmb
90k aamb
many thousands of the def ground forces

15k heavy artillery
15k heavy tanks
15k Bombers
24 Stealth Bombers
3k cmb
5k lbmc
5k land to sea mb
30 SF
4 rdu


The issue might come here. Remember that ALL these weapons are spread in hundreds of Garrisons and Military Units and it takes time for a supply unit to replenish a garrison/military unit ---> Time to reach it, time to replenish it... multiply by N, you need a lot of supply units.

Also, they have units outside their main country (airlifted) and to keep them replenished/supplied (or however it's called) you either need a good amount of Military Transports OR make sure you are not leaving your country without enough supply units if you are airlifting supply units too.
And I think they have been airlifting supply units too.


It's an idea, it might be right, it might not :).
I'm trying to understand how it was developed.

Nicolas Fernandez Ponce (White Giant)

Wednesday, February 22, 2012 - 04:36 pm Click here to edit this post
By the way, anyone knows the exact times for this processes?

1 - Time it takes a supply unit to reachs a garrison/military unit it has to replenish

2 - Time it takes a supply unit to replenish the garrison/military unit.

3 - Right after a supply unit reachs and replenish the garrison/military unit...... does it goes back to the nearest base to take more resources?
If so, how much time does it takes?

4 - Are time-numbers the same for a Small Supply unit and Large Supply Unit?

Psycho_Honey (Little Upsilon)

Wednesday, February 22, 2012 - 04:52 pm Click here to edit this post
Steve hit targets because they didn't have any nuclear defense batteries present.

I just want the same graces applied in the opposite direction. The targets are undefended with no nuclear defense batteries, but the system made my nuclear missiles duds. That doesn't happen by accident.

Nicolas Fernandez Ponce (White Giant)

Wednesday, February 22, 2012 - 05:44 pm Click here to edit this post
Ok.

In that case, did you check the section "Use before XXXX"?

Psycho_Honey (Fearless Blue)

Wednesday, February 22, 2012 - 05:54 pm Click here to edit this post
I have no eyedeer what yer talkin' 'bout!

Psycho_Honey (Fearless Blue)

Wednesday, February 22, 2012 - 05:55 pm Click here to edit this post
Jonni, Andy, Robo?

Psycho_Honey (Little Upsilon)

Wednesday, February 22, 2012 - 11:39 pm Click here to edit this post
And yet the problem persists...


You commanded a Nuclear Attack on Lexana.
You launched a Submarine nuclear missile from your Fleet DROPITLIKEITSHAWT.

Your attack has been launched. However, no additional damage was done to the target. Bollocks To You fleet 'DROPITLIKEITSHAWT' placed a nuclear attack on Roberts strategic airport. No damage to Roberts is reported. On the Lexana side no weapon losses were reported. The weapons chosen by Bollocks To You were not effective in this attack.

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Roberts
Roberts is a strategic airport in Lexana


Position 61.77°S 70.59°W

Roberts is not damaged.

Image
No Damage during this mission.
The following weapons were detected at Roberts:
Please note Radar Planes do not detect Airforce Defense capabilities.

Roberts is not defended.

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There isn't even a report of any use of a nuclear defense missile.

Are we ridding the game of nukes now? Why not at this point?

Psycho_Honey (Little Upsilon)

Wednesday, February 22, 2012 - 11:42 pm Click here to edit this post
I have more questions...

Will my ground units have any effect against targets?

Is this country so special that it doesn't obey the language in the code we "assume" governs the war engine?

Is this being done because "Bad Dukes" doesn't wish to war, even though he is at or above war level 3 and is in a federation named "War Ensemble"?

Is this not an error worth mention.

Is it an error at all?

Tom Morgan (Kebir Blue)

Thursday, February 23, 2012 - 12:39 am Click here to edit this post
Silence from the GMs is deafening...

Psycho_Honey (Little Upsilon)

Thursday, February 23, 2012 - 09:26 am Click here to edit this post
From: Lextron
To: Inannas Temple
Real Date: 23-02-2012 01:23:08
World Date: July 31 2928
Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: Fwd: Hello...
Message: Okay I talked with david walker and him and i made peace I also left steves fed which really wasnt his to begin with it was ECs. I havnt attack you or your fed mates. So why are you still trying to nuke me. Bad Dukes


I have two Letters to whoever this person is in general...

F.U.


I'll see you dead.

Psycho_Honey (White Giant)

Thursday, February 23, 2012 - 09:33 am Click here to edit this post
Oh and +2 for having a sense of humor, Bad Dukes.


Let's see who laughs last.

Steven Ryan (Little Upsilon)

Thursday, February 23, 2012 - 09:35 am Click here to edit this post
lol stop ur whineing psycho mumma the one who raids everyone and complains when someone else get a bit of gear lol

Psycho_Honey (Little Upsilon)

Thursday, February 23, 2012 - 09:58 am Click here to edit this post
You don't see me whining about anything. This game playing with a dishonest hand is bad business and bad form.

And don't address me out of turn again you multi POS.

Psycho_Honey (Little Upsilon)

Thursday, February 23, 2012 - 12:12 pm Click here to edit this post
I have 3 Offensive Airports in my newly Conquered country

"The Empire of Vibressa" on LU yet I cannot deploy any air Wings at any Military Airport.

I cannot select an airport by clicking on it. I get the error message

"You can station this military unit near offensive military airports."

I cannot select an airport by using the "Select from a List" Option. The list comes up blank.

I have a war with "Nuke Me If You Can" in just 10 game days.


I just want you all to see the lengths some will go to, when a side is taken. Apparently Steven Ryan and all his accounts is free to nuke and take anyone's country but the same courtesy is not given to others.

One wonders what is so special about Steve...

Watch and learn.

Psycho_Honey (Little Upsilon)

Thursday, February 23, 2012 - 01:04 pm Click here to edit this post
A change of Heart? Things apparently work now in my Newly conquered country.



However: This Problem still persists.


Nuke Me if You Can Daily Telegraph, Oct 13, 2928
International News


Hostilities between Bollocks To You and Nuke Me if You Can
Bollocks To You fleet 'DACHAMPISINDAHOUSE' placed a nuclear attack on Grand Rowena capital. No damage to Grand Rowena is reported. On the Nuke Me if You Can side no weapon losses were reported. The weapons chosen by Bollocks To You were not effective in this attack.

Psycho_Honey (Little Upsilon)

Thursday, February 23, 2012 - 01:48 pm Click here to edit this post
This Problem still persists.


Bollocks To You Daily Telegraph, Oct 19, 2928
International News


Hostilities between Bollocks To You and Nuke Me if You Can
Bollocks To You fleet 'DACHAMPISINDAHOUSE' placed a nuclear attack on Roberts strategic airport. No damage to Roberts is reported. On the Nuke Me if You Can side no weapon losses were reported. The weapons chosen by Bollocks To You were not effective in this attack.

Steven Ryan

Thursday, February 23, 2012 - 02:01 pm Click here to edit this post
obviously has nuke def lol

Psycho_Honey (Little Upsilon)

Thursday, February 23, 2012 - 02:37 pm Click here to edit this post
Yeah nice try. I've been doing this long enough to know when a player has nuke defense. Oh, maybe by the time the gms fix this pretend error he'll have actually bought some nuke defense.

Do you or any of your 5 or so accounts work here?

For those with an interest, there is no nuke defense. look for yourselves Not that I need to defend my position.

Psycho_Honey (Little Upsilon)

Thursday, February 23, 2012 - 02:45 pm Click here to edit this post
Strategic Air Base

Offensive Base

Defensive Base

Off Air Base

Def Air Base

Capitol

City

Now hurry and change those garrisons before anyone sees how full of it you really are...

Psycho_Honey (Little Upsilon)

Thursday, February 23, 2012 - 02:47 pm Click here to edit this post
Just a footnote...

[6:44:50 AM] tommorgan has become available
[6:45:02 AM] hullo everyone
[6:52:21 AM] maverick71 has become available
[6:52:31 AM] maverick71 has left
[7:50:08 AM] tommorgan has left
[8:26:00 AM] baddukes has become available
[8:26:17 AM] baddukes has left
[8:28:28 AM] WildEyes has become available

Hello World.

Psycho_Honey (Little Upsilon)

Thursday, February 23, 2012 - 10:26 pm Click here to edit this post
The War ravishes on. I would have wasted my ammo taking this country but who knows what other weapons the GMs will decide not to "allow".


Just another rigged Casino with a stacked Deck.

Typical of a casino, they don't tolerate winners for very long. Congrats.

If you can't win by playing fair then why do we have to pay real money to play these slots? Are the numbers not in your favor that this kind of crap is allowed? That is a great question. If this hasn't happened to you yet, you haven't been successful. Apparently that isn't tolerated much either.

Nicolas Fernandez Ponce (White Giant)

Thursday, February 23, 2012 - 10:57 pm Click here to edit this post
Exactly in which time we switched from Steve Ryan to multiple accounts?

Tom Morgan (Kebir Blue)

Thursday, February 23, 2012 - 11:25 pm Click here to edit this post
me lulz at da chat. lulz

Blueserpent

Friday, February 24, 2012 - 01:23 am Click here to edit this post
multi accounts dont exist, ponce?

the newer members/free players may be fooled, not e1 tho :)

Nicolas Fernandez Ponce (White Giant)

Friday, February 24, 2012 - 02:17 am Click here to edit this post
ohhh sensitive people, why aren't am I surprised? lol
Multi accounts DOES exist unfortunately in most if not all games.

I'm surprised why all of a sudden he is accused of multi just because (and only after) she apparently found a couple of bugs.


In the same path, unfortunately, the game keeps going... noobs like you find it, play it, buy some pop and make some points and then brag around about how great you are - like if you actually were - until things don't go like you pretend so you can start whining around and/or use a second account to move your empire in and stay in WL 0. Sad circle of life.


Regards

ps: Send my greetings to Manny.

Blueserpent

Friday, February 24, 2012 - 02:43 am Click here to edit this post
spin ur shit, no ones listening...

PS, i am great :)

PPS, best the games ever seen :)

PPPS, no noob :)

PPPPS, up urs :)

Christopher Michael (Golden Rainbow)

Friday, February 24, 2012 - 03:13 am Click here to edit this post
LOL

Bad Dukes (Fearless Blue)

Friday, February 24, 2012 - 08:18 am Click here to edit this post
Okay, My turn to post.
Wendy your game ethics are really starting to suck. All though I didn't always agree with what you were saying or doing. Even though we never spoke one on one. I had some respect for u, for how you played the game, and for your forum posting mania. But that has changed. When the auto war dec went out I contacted you about a peace deal. I even explained that Steve was acting on his own and I had no idea what he was up to. Had no clue he even deced the inactive. Your response to me was I needed to contact your fed chairman David Walker about working on a peace deal. But you also said because of Steve's actions a price would be paid. . So I did contact walker I and walker came to a agreement and made peace. He even sent you a email asking you to stand down. Now what kind of fed member disobeys their chairman, especially after claiming that a peace offer was up to the chairman. Here is were things went wrong for yah. You focused on a player that's willing to stand down for something his chairman did. So mean while your planning to attack me not giving any thought to helping your chairman Who by the way lost a country. or the fact that steve should pay the price for his action. Had you taken the peace with me and focused on Steve the one who started it all, you may have been looking at a different out come.

Being that Wendy wants to post my emails I thought why not just post some of them myself .....

Steve I didn't want to ditch you but you left me with no other choice. Had you come to me from the get go I would of had time to decide what to do. Last we spoke you had personal issues and was going some what inactive. I never heard another word from yah after that. I knew everyone pretty much left the fed so I figured we were no threat to anyone. Had you come to me with a creditable reason to go to war I would of gone to war with you. And backed you 100%. Unfortunately it didn't work out that way. Guess only time will tell if full trust can be rebuilt. Bad Dukes

Multi accounts. I totally think they are wrong. I do have some knowledge of how a log in system works. I may have a idea on how to detect multi accounts. Every time you log in to a account "if coded right" it keeps a log on member log ins. With in this log you can collect all types of information. Like how long they spent on the site, your computer name, but most importantly you can log the users IP Address. For those who don't know what that is, its a address your local ISP uses to identify you on the network / world wide web. It contains info like city state and a formatted set of numbers. With this information you can code a program to search the log for active accounts created and or logged into by the same IP Address. I personally would investigate any IP address that has created more then 2 maybe 3 accounts first. That would root out most of the big offenders. I mean come on do you really think one house hold is going to have 5 to 7 accounts. To help deter new multi accounts from happen you can limit one free account to each IP Address. Then once a house hold wants to set up another account on the same IP Address they'd need to become a full member and confirm that more than one person is using the multi accounts. That's just my thoughts and with out knowing more details on how simc uses this information or if they even collect it. I cant truly say this idea would work. Bad Dukes

blue serpent When you going to sell those countries to me :-)... email me a offer .... say hi to jan for me thanks. Bad Dukes

Oh and Wendy as for the nuke defense. Your guess is as good as mine. I can tell you this much I know there are many errors in the game you and others have posted many of them in the past. Sometimes they work in your favor other times they don't. In this case they are not working in your favor lmao rotfl crying my stomach hurts I'm out of my breath quit your killing me ....... Bad Dukes PS My targets are still undefended ;-)

Bad Dukes (Fearless Blue)

Friday, February 24, 2012 - 06:07 pm Click here to edit this post
Oh yea forget for the record I didnt take over ECs account. Slade sold me these countires over a year ago. EC nor Corporate Partner never owned this country get your facts straight. As for your foot notes that dont prove anything. Thats just your way of trying to pull wild eyes into this. While you have me on a roll lets talk about your own way of taking advantage of the system. Instead of building a real empire like the rest of us, you built one maybe two econs. Then you take control of cheap c3s and load them with cheap ass nukes a small amount of air defense and some SPFs you not only do this with one c3 you use many. Then you keep them at war for days even weeks and u never win the war. If thats not wack what is. Why dont you build a real empire with assests then risk some of those assets. I bet the dogs come off the porch then. You talk about bringing people to the game but all you do is drive people away with your cheap war tactics. Your empire needs a hair cut and a real job. Oh by the way F.U. Wendy

Tom Morgan

Friday, February 24, 2012 - 11:28 pm Click here to edit this post
Wendy, has your problem been fixed?

"3. Painting conquered area [ top ]

A serious old error was reported by a player and fixed. The error caused occupied areas to remain painted as occupied even if they were re occupied by army units of the country. The error was intermittent and did not show up in all cases. This is probably the reason why it was not discovered earlier."
----From Game News.

Crafty

Sunday, February 26, 2012 - 07:05 pm Click here to edit this post
Wendy, I would suggest the name chosen for that country might have caused some reaction from the GM. You should try changing it and make sure to tell the GM you have because you realise it might be offensive to some.

Respect, Crafty.


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