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Thursday, August 5, 2010 - 06:37 pm  War has been declared on WGC. There was a time when simcountry had lots of wars, and many players built reputations as warlords, politicians, and loyal allies. However, these times appear to be disappearing, and for those of us who like a good war, this is discouraging. The Mob has never been a "peaceful" federation, but has used restraint in an attempt to let players grow on its homeworlds of Fearless Blue and Little Upsilon. No war of any substance has been fought this calendar year. No players appear to care about their security other than fending off wendy's periodic noob raids. This is truly not the spirit of a healthy game, or a fun one. This said, the Mob has decided to try to gain a foothold on White Giant and secure its place as the greatest military power on that planet. WGC is currently the largest federation in simcountry, and has vast resources, militaries, and experience. This federation has ruled White Giant for many real life years, and it is time that they earn the right to rule. They are a model federation, and the Mob has great respect for them, and this war is not being waged for any personal reasons. War will rage until either the Mob is defeated, or it feels that it has neutralized all military threats that WGC has to offer. This said, new players and economic players are not our primary targets, and will be left alone unless they decide to interfere with the war. Only when we feel that someone has accomplished something militarly (either ourselves or WGC) will we be willing to negotiate. When that time comes, WGC can contact me to set up a time, place, or terms. Regards, EO
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| Thursday, August 5, 2010 - 07:22 pm I disagree with only one thing you have said, EO: "War will rage until either the Mob is defeated, or it feels that it has neutralized all military threats that WGC has to offer." WGC offers no military threat to any player who does not threaten WGC. We were and are happy to live in peaceful co-existence with any player wishing to do the same. If and when you are ready to negotiate, please contact me at Hanky Panky Hippy Land. Hugs and respect Jo
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| Thursday, August 5, 2010 - 07:59 pm "WGC is currently the largest federation in simcountry, and has vast resources, militaries, and experience." Translation: WGC is the only federation on WG that has anything(assets) worth taking. "War will rage until either the Mob is defeated, or it feels that it has neutralized all military threats that WGC has to offer." Translation: War will rage until either the Mob is defeated, or it feels that it has taken all the assets of value that WGC has to offer. "No players appear to care about their security other than fending off wendy's periodic noob raids." Translation: WGC has an immense number of poorly defended countries that we can take easily with our gang method of attack. So we will take them. Yet another asset raid lol. When will you wake up, I have been warning many of you this is what simcountry has deteriorated to. Unprovoked attacks fueled by nothing but greed. To the weak federations of simcountry not really military oriented, you are threatened by a small band of pirates. This will be the second clear example of such behavior. Its funny that the weak feds or isolated empires are targets of 'good wars' while federations capable of giving a good war are 'friends' (i.e. 3ms on FB). This group of players "those of us who like a good war" (BS) constantly avoid a good war not based on assets to be taken and thrive on targeting the people who build assets of value in the game. This targeted and continued aggression is the single handed cause of the deterioration of the game. When players assets are threatened, they tire of playing remembering how long it took to build such empires. This group of pirates are a shite stain on this community, while proclaiming what is and is not in the spirit of the game. They won't attack the weaker players or newer players, becuase they have not much worth taking. They would rather have you build with the false confidence that they are not after you, until you build enough for them to take. This is the same group of players that are pushing for war protection to be removed for economic players. The reason being they don't want new players intimidated by the power of their neighbors, to be able to build peacefully without the threat of being raided for their assets. Ive repeatedly said that time is the one factor people never factor into the things they do on this game. The assets are nothing in the grande scheme of things compared to time. If you played this game for a year or more, and someone comes along and steals what has been worked on for that time frame what motivation would you have to continue laying a game where you will be constantly under threat of restarting? This kind of aggression is exactly what makes people want to quit, yet they accuse me of making people quit while not backing up any of those statements. I countered with clear examples of people that contribute very well to the game, and have since left becuase they have had hard work destroyed becuase of the greed of a very select organized group of players that wish to do nothing but take in a few hours, things that you have worked on for months or more. Comparing what they do, to my 'noob raids' is not even a contest. It is a poor conceptualization of right and wrong. I do what I do 90% of the time becuase I was provoked by direct attack on the forums or becuase an attack on my fedmates by a dminating force. There is no comparison. What they do is watch and prey on assets and hard work that they themselves don't appreciate or value. You can never compare me taking a few inactive countries to this kind of belligerence. The whole lot of you makes me sick. It will only be a time before you are dealt with on an observatory level. One person will not defeat this kind of arrogance. While there were more than 20 people that tried to boycott me on LU while I was not warring with anyone except a light skirmish with?!?!, you guessed it, yet another asshat who apparently took a guys entire empire for apparently no reason. I was going for HOF on LU and the mob hostile bid more than 150 corps in an attempt to sabotage my level and reduce my score so I wouldn't get first place. Is this what is in the spirit of the game? LDI was asked to disband or leave the game I believe for continued hostile aggression against weaker players. But they should have never been asked to leave. If you put these two side by side, the mob and LDI, one looks like a saint, and the other like pirates. LDI had substance. For the most part they fought players who had attitude and were willing to fight with them. They rarely attacked feds or inexperienced players without justification or a little forum banter precipitating such action. These mob just calculates poor defenses and a decent amount of assets = rape. Is this the spirit of the game? Members of the mob have spammed the boards with post after post crying for the gms to ban me, while wiping out people from the game themselves. There is no comparison in what I do and what they do. I unite federations and groups of people to fight me. I hardly ever take a fight knowing that I will roll over or whoop an entire fed. It just never happens that way. These guys look to take out military rich countries from people and players who have spent time building and have little experience in using them. An easy kill' so to speak. This is what the game has deteriorated to. This is negative game progression and the mob and their constant prowling for assets under the poor excuse of 'a good war' is exactly what has threatened the game for quite some time. Not me and my c3 wars or defense of my federation members. I think the track record of this federation is deplorable and despicable and should be addressed by the gamemasters in our upcoming Jozi chat. Their calls for limited or reduced wp should be discarded as well as their calls for the limitation of the use of c3s becuase the number of deterrents available is diminishing. Players should be able to use wp and any available means to defend what is theirs and what others wish to take. While what they are doing is within the rules, I know they cannot possibly wish for these or any other changes to further reduce the capabilities of those willing to fight and stand against such aggression. It is about time the mob has been called for what they really are, a bunch of lowlife thieves. (EDIT: I only offer this sidebar becuase I was mentioned in this Bshite speech)
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| Thursday, August 5, 2010 - 08:24 pm As I said, we are not attacking any econ or new players (as evidenced by our war declarations). WGC is the strongest federation in simcountry - hardly a raid. Wars used to be common. We have not fought a war in a year (since last summer). If W3C didn't want wars, they wouldn't make half the products in the game war based. If we wanted to raid assets, we would, and we could. We do not. We have only fought one group of players in the last year - and they responded by attacking us back. We do not pick on the weak. We enjoy fighting and the challenge of war. This is the best opportunity to enjoy what simcountry has to offer. Enjoy watching from the sidelines Wendy.
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| Thursday, August 5, 2010 - 08:30 pm Wendy, everyone is missing the point. THIS IS A GAME. War is supposed to be FUN! It used to be!!!! Ive played since 2001....IT WAS ONCE VERY FUN to fight world wars and many players participated. Now days, however, the gamemasters continually restrict assets in the game, mainly population, and make you have to PAY in order to get higher levels, then restrict how much you can transfer, so that it takes you an eternity to transfer merge one population with another. ITS THE GAME MASTERS FAULT. War Protection was never needed before, because everyone played as a game, and pirates were fought off because everyone (most players) at the time warred to defend their countries. Why? Assets were easier to come by. Its a monetary scheme by W3 to increase how much players pay. Players now pay to increase the value of their states, then pay continually to protect it. Now its like we are in a bank playing with money. Everyone b!tches about their money being taken. Its W3s fault. I will make a game to rival simcountry, and give the players what they want, while at the same time keeping a sense of balance and realism, with far more "common sense" features available for players than this damned game. It will actually feel like a community there, and war wont be a "I hate this game never playing again because I just got my shit stolen" deal. Mark my words W3. As for the wars...Woosah! SCWN is happy for now!
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| Thursday, August 5, 2010 - 08:35 pm well, back to the issue at hand in the immortal words of Ben Grimm "ITS CLOBBER'N TIME!!!"
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| Thursday, August 5, 2010 - 08:44 pm Jo - I know this isn't ideal for you or WGC, but it will be fun, WGC is a great fed and this isn't about destroying WGC or fighting until death. We will fight a traditional fed war, if we are defeated we won't turn to c3 warfare, we will admit our defeat and hang our heads. If we win, we will not go hunting down the smaller and newer members of your fed, we will agree to a reasonable peace and depending on the conditions some or many of your countries will be returned. I happen to really like both you and Kaymen, think you're great players and I'm guessing I would think the same about the rest of WGC if I had some time to talk about them. So, just as EO said, there is nothing personal here, we just think it's time for a war and a very challenging one at that. Windy - This is none of your business, if we can't declare war on the LARGEST federation in SC and ONLY dec their LARGEST/BEST members without you calling it an asset raid...well then...you're dumb. You are the one who decs the WEAKEST members of feds...including WGC...YOU ARE THE ASSET RAIDER. We are a group of players who love the war game and have shown over and over that we are willing to fight the best players and feds out there. We are friends with 3M, doesn't mean there wouldn't be a war with them, we have tried to work that out but timing and rules has been an issue...it'll happen eventually...once the WP rules have been corrected and the time is right. Your spin is getting way out of control, basically in your mind there is *ONE* fed out there who we should be allowed to fight...even though there are many who are much larger than we are...with Abe leaving the game we are 5 players...not a group of 50 who just run around trouncing everyone. Stop with the BS and just shut up for once. Unlike you we don't fight just for assets, we fight for fun, this isn't about assets...we've got plenty. EDIT: Also, really excited that Windy is in new empire protection for the next 2 weeks...warm that bench Windy...and no matter what happens with WGC, we will dec you wherever you are and whoever you dec on once your waiting period is up...Mob members and allies...WGC members and allies...anyone.
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| Thursday, August 5, 2010 - 08:51 pm "Wendy, everyone is missing the point. THIS IS A GAME. War is supposed to be FUN!" You have reiterated my point exactly dubletar. Big chips war was not fun. DTA dd not find it fun to come back after a weekend to only mains. Alarich didn't find getting his empire gang banged by a bigmouth and two of the most experienced war players on the game fun either. Wars like this are meant for FB. Not a social-political fed like WGC. They may be up to the task but an unprovoked declaration on the grounds that they have persevered is BS. And yes EO, I have never sized up a federation with another group of players based on what I could gain as the sole justification. I will enjoy watching from the sidelines. Stop blaming the gamemasters for everything you can't fix dubletar. The game is what it is. I get that you want to make a game and all, but saying you will make a game to rival it openly on the boards in hopes of drawing away my customer base would be justification for a ban from the forums. At least until your attitude adjusts. If you don't like this game that much just quit and enjoy whatever game you make. If it truly rivals sim, you will be dealing with real assholes like yourself who can't be pleased at every moment. I don't think you should be promoting competition on the Sim Forums period. To your benefit I am not the moderator, nor the game master. Had I bought in like I planned to do so last year, you'd be gone, and rightfully so. If you aren't here to enjoy the game and only suck up the customers that do happily enjoy the game you have no business here. On many servers and sites such actions are not tolerated. I don't see why yours should be.
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| Thursday, August 5, 2010 - 08:58 pm WB you never fought a fight on your own dime against a player you 'thought' could defeat you, we have visited this point many many times over and still the story remains the same. You fight those you think you could gain something from, and that is it. You fought once while handicapped on FB, but you were grandfathered an empire and a very good teacher to show you how to use it. However since then, you have never fought a fight you thought you could lose. Don't tell me you decd WGC because you think you would lose. No, the result will end up with many of WGC countries being taken and after you all have had your fill, some, if not many will be returned to them. In the end though, it is an asset raid. Say I take 1000gc worth of stuff, and offer you back 500, I guess I keep 500 and you should think I am some great sport. Nah, if you wanted a good fight, you would challenge a reputable opponent to a fair fight and return whatever is lost. That is a 'good' war. I attack weaker members of feds, THAT ATTACKED ME OR MY FED FIRST! while seriously outmatched and outnumbered. You get together with a group of players, size up a fed for assets, and attack them while they don't suspect an attack coming. There is hardly a comparison.
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| Thursday, August 5, 2010 - 09:26 pm You are an asset raider Windy...just admit it. Your wars are about assets...sure you lob a few nukes at the good players, but mostly you take inactives or poorly defended countries of new players...that's what your fights are about. You attacked my fed without them teaming up on YOU OR YOUR FED FIRST! You attacked my fed because *I* attacked Biggie, who had taunted me for over a year about how he could beat me down and was so much better than me...did I think I would win...of course...but he didn't think I could, so I showed him. Stop pretending it's about assets...it's not...we've got plenty...you're just upset that other players have the balls to challenge others while not hiding in WP like a sissy. If it were about assets...there are plenty of players out there who we could get them from without the trouble and defense that WGC can put up. BEST members of the LARGEST fed in SC...I REPEAT...BEST MEMBERS OF THE LARGEST FED IN SC...that's who we're attacking and you still want to call it a raid...so disrespectful. So wars like this are meant for FB and not social-political feds like WGC??? So what is meant for them? Weeks of c3 warfare where you just launch nukes? Because that is what you just did...now you're determining what kind of warfare certain feds should receive? No fed would prefer your BS to a true fed war, losing sucks...but winning is fun...your c3 BS creates no opportunity for winning because you are too much of coward to put any assets on the line and the only losing there is with you is losing time. And unprovoked war? Really, just because we didn't make up some BS excuse like you do for all of your wars? Speaking of which...what exactly was your excuse for starting your war with WGC? I'm sure there was one...but we all know the real reason...YOU'RE AN ASSET RAIDER. Wars don't always need justification...or at least one that pleases the voices in your tiny little mind...the justification is this: This is a game, war is an integral part of the fun of this game and we want to have a war. Because war is most fun when it is challenging, we chose the largest fed in SC and selected only their biggest and best members to fight instead of going the coward route like you do and choosing the worst/newest members with the most assets. Once again, there are FIVE of us, but we're not allowed to fight ANY FED except for 3M? Really? I never fought a fight on my own dime...give me a break...I lost my entire empire to 3M twice...and not because they decd me...I decd them and this was before I had a clue how to play this game without blowing through purchased GC so that was literally REAL 'DIME'. 5 or 6 60-70 mil countries...and guess why I decd? I THOUGHT I COULD WIN!!! Yes, I thought I could win and I lost. I think we can win this fight...I think that's the reason anyone goes into a fight...no one goes in thinking: I think I'll lose but I'll do this anyway. I think we can win, but we may lose. Either way=FUN...try it sometime instead of being an incessant irritating, know-nothing, cowardly, worthless and insignificant idiot.
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| Thursday, August 5, 2010 - 09:32 pm Windy this has nothing to do with you so stop http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9xZPzw0VSY and be a good (quiet) lil girl!
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| Thursday, August 5, 2010 - 09:44 pm Wendy I wouldnt mind if i were banned. And actually there was discussion just yesterday(?) in chat about me selling my states, not that Im set on doing that. Indeed my pleasure in the game has diminished greatly. Simcountry is not the game it used to be, and is declining in my honest opinion, has been declining for some time. W3 makes up for their declining popularity with the choke holds trying gain even more money from players who play for enjoyment. They have created and monopolized on a type of game with an attitude that would not be tolerated by players of other games. As far as you buying into the game, do it, otherwise, STFU dry cunt. Look at other games who are far more user friendly. Simply, the game "Cybernations". Their depth is no where near SC's but they foster an enviornment that is player friendly, instead of game master friendly. They respect the players that play the game... What is their result? 480k players. Even if they decided to make the game payable, $10.00 a year, theyd be making millions. Again, STFU dry cunt. If your utility company choked more and more money out of you and added things you never wanted that doesnt add value, while ignoring the customer's demands, you'd drop it in a heart beat, or flame the company if its a monopoly. so STFU dry cunt. Simcountry could easily change my opinion, or any player's opinion, if they would actually show some sense of care for the game. They used to, but I have no idea what happened. I think they began to focus more on how to squeeze every dime out of the game rather than keep their players happy, who would be willing to continue to pay them cash continually. And that makes alot of sense, dry cunt, ban the customers who complain and desire competition to cause the failing of a badly managed enterprise. If the United States markets followed your logic, this country would be screwed. And by the way, your "take it and stfu" attitude is something they already have. You'd only be adding to it. Now, take that and stfu.
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| Thursday, August 5, 2010 - 10:27 pm ok, well, this war isn't about wendy, so... lets talk, MOAR WOAR!!!
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| Thursday, August 5, 2010 - 10:31 pm I agree, lets ignore the insignificant. Maybe, if you ignore it, it will go away!
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| Thursday, August 5, 2010 - 10:55 pm ignore what?
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| Thursday, August 5, 2010 - 11:00 pm What makes people quit SimCountry? The single biggest culprit is boredom IMO. Got me once. Almost twice. Maybe even three times, depending on how we're counting >_> This should be interesting...
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| Thursday, August 5, 2010 - 11:58 pm This kind of aggression is exactly what makes people want to quit, yet they accuse me of making people quit while not backing up any of those statements. I countered with clear examples of people that contribute very well to the game, and have since left becuase they have had hard work destroyed becuase of the greed of a very select organized group of players that wish to do nothing but take in a few hours, things that you have worked on for months or more. The reason I attacked you and your fed wb is because your fed attacked or its allies attacked Khan, who has since left, and then Biggie, and then Alarich as well. So thank you for confirming that I go to war because of aggression of my friends. Not to asset raid. And you all clearly demonstrate how it would only have been a matter of time before you attacked anyone with any assets. You have done so repeatedly and this is no different. Stop blaming the gamemasters for everything you can't fix dubletar. The game is what it is. I get that you want to make a game and all, but saying you will make a game to rival it openly on the boards in hopes of drawing away my customer base would be justification for a ban from the forums. At least until your attitude adjusts. If you don't like this game that much just quit and enjoy whatever game you make. If it truly rivals sim, you will be dealing with real assholes like yourself who can't be pleased at every moment. I don't think you should be promoting competition on the Sim Forums period. To your benefit I am not the moderator, nor the game master. Had I bought in like I planned to do so last year, you'd be gone, and rightfully so. If you aren't here to enjoy the game and only suck up the customers that do happily enjoy the game you have no business here. On many servers and sites such actions are not tolerated. I don't see why yours should be. @Orbiter you are right, this isn't about me, but EO of course couldn't help but make mention of me. So who needs to know what is or isn't about me? I get why YOU would attack WGC, I really get it, but to have included a bunch of asset raiders is a step down for you. In my book at least. Not that it matters much. But including them in your vendetta against WGC kinda throws a blemish on it. EO is right, for HIM there is no personal reason for war it has always been about a gold coin. All anyone would have to do is scroll through some forum posts where he openly says this is how he plays and pays for this game. On another player's hard work. But for you it is all personal. Remember that conversation we had when you first returned. My memory isn't short I surprised you would enlist the help of this group of idiots to achieve some get back.
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| Thursday, August 5, 2010 - 11:59 pm I hope you get the message.
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| Friday, August 6, 2010 - 12:12 am If aggression is what makes people quit, and you don't want people to quit, why do you attack only noobs wendy?
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| Friday, August 6, 2010 - 12:26 am Hmmm, curious, lets name people I have attacked, and people I haven't. Let us examine who is a n00b and who isn't. Take your time before you put your foot in your mouth.
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| Friday, August 6, 2010 - 12:41 am I remember when wendy attacked akasha in our fed,and took her countries that was out of our fed. Just because she was the weakest link. The whole war started because i bought a country from another player (BC) who she said had nothing to take. And i have that convo saved somewhere. so she she thought she would take it out on our Fed, Freenations. That didnt work... so she targeted other feds to GET HER MONEY, was i believe her own words. From a country that was took from another player. Sold to a different player. Then she went from that to a complete other fed. Mind you two other feds TO GET HER MONEY. That had no defense and was the weakest players in those feds to GET HER MONEY.
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| Friday, August 6, 2010 - 12:57 am Let's name people you've taken a country from and people you haven't...just launching a few nukes from c3's at those of us who could easily destroy you doesn't make you a bad ass. Your goal is clear, pot shots at the big boys/girls and take from the little ones. I don't even know who Khan is, you weren't even friends with Alarich and Biggie got what he asked for in a one on one fight...taunt someone for a year about how you could beat them down while hiding in wp...step outside of WP and they show you how wrong you were. You'll learn that soon enough too...wp always slips eventually. I'm sorry that you consider us so good that we shouldn't even be allowed to attack any fed except for 3M. (Although you constantly try to say that I suck and Keto, Serpent and EC are so stupid that they can't do nuke D, quite contradictory, are we complete dominators or horrible players? Hmmm) Anyway, this is what happens when everyone hides in wp and fights with c3's, those who have the courage to come out and fight a good clean fight learn something, the rest stagnate and create worlds where it is easy for 5 players to have a fed that completely dominates the world...sad really. No risk, no reward...I know you've heard it before but it's worth repeating. Lolo and EO are right about why people leave. They leave #1 due to boredom...build a country, build an army, become afraid to lose that country/army, hide in war protection, transfer workers, transfer workers, transfer workers, transfer workers...on and on forever. That's boring. And #2 they leave because people like you incessantly drown out those who are trying to help the game become more popular and who will waste other people's time for weeks and months on end for your own amusement and asset raids while the other people have nothing to win for their time and effort. It's a horrible system and hopefully one that will be fixed soon enough.
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| Friday, August 6, 2010 - 01:10 am Yeah, I still want my money, Budman, LOLs Lets not forget I did dec you as well budman. But yeah once things get out of control, I generally don't discriminate. Okay, so lets say Akasha, any others to add to the list? Taken from another post: Sam Houston Jason WildEyes Barney Treasurer SteelKnife Zeba Dizzy Budman Keto Serpent Aqua Rainbow Ameche Crabs Jo Salkilled Steven Ryan David Walker Beo General Dirt Laguna (sorry Big guy) EO and darn so many more" Expanded for today's seminar Bobo IndustMech DoctorMista Scarlet Stuart OKstateguy I'll edit when more come to mind That is a long list of inexperienced weak players. or according to EO, "n00bs" when you come up with a list as long as that let me know.
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| Friday, August 6, 2010 - 01:13 am No answer EO? I didn't think so. Thank you for contributing to today's demonstration.
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| Friday, August 6, 2010 - 02:25 am Like I said Windy...list who you have TAKEN a country from...like for budman's example it would look like this: Decd: budman slade Akasha Taken from: Akasha Two completely different lists...any nub can press the declare war button just like any nub can press the launch nuke button...it's meaningless. Your real targets are the weakest members of the fed because you want to TAKE from them because you are an ASSET RAIDER.
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| Friday, August 6, 2010 - 02:38 am Ok Whitegurl You get an award.... An extra block of for MinniMouse Way to deflect. I'll try to stay on topic.
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| Friday, August 6, 2010 - 02:38 am "WGC is currently the largest federation in simcountry, and has vast resources, militaries, and experience." Translation: WGC is the only federation on WG that has anything(assets) worth taking. "War will rage until either the Mob is defeated, or it feels that it has neutralized all military threats that WGC has to offer." Translation: War will rage until either the Mob is defeated, or it feels that it has taken all the assets of value that WGC has to offer. "No players appear to care about their security other than fending off wendy's periodic noob raids." Translation: WGC has an immense number of poorly defended countries that we can take easily with our gang method of attack. So we will take them. Yet another asset raid lol. When will you wake up, I have been warning many of you this is what simcountry has deteriorated to. Unprovoked attacks fueled by nothing but greed. To the weak federations of simcountry not really military oriented, you are threatened by a small band of pirates. This will be the second clear example of such behavior. Its funny that the weak feds or isolated empires are targets of 'good wars' while federations capable of giving a good war are 'friends' (i.e. 3ms on FB). This group of players "those of us who like a good war" (BS) constantly avoid a good war not based on assets to be taken and thrive on targeting the people who build assets of value in the game. This targeted and continued aggression is the single handed cause of the deterioration of the game. When players assets are threatened, they tire of playing remembering how long it took to build such empires. This group of pirates are a shite stain on this community, while proclaiming what is and is not in the spirit of the game. They won't attack the weaker players or newer players, becuase they have not much worth taking. They would rather have you build with the false confidence that they are not after you, until you build enough for them to take. This is the same group of players that are pushing for war protection to be removed for economic players. The reason being they don't want new players intimidated by the power of their neighbors, to be able to build peacefully without the threat of being raided for their assets. Ive repeatedly said that time is the one factor people never factor into the things they do on this game. The assets are nothing in the grande scheme of things compared to time. If you played this game for a year or more, and someone comes along and steals what has been worked on for that time frame what motivation would you have to continue laying a game where you will be constantly under threat of restarting? This kind of aggression is exactly what makes people want to quit, yet they accuse me of making people quit while not backing up any of those statements. I countered with clear examples of people that contribute very well to the game, and have since left becuase they have had hard work destroyed becuase of the greed of a very select organized group of players that wish to do nothing but take in a few hours, things that you have worked on for months or more. Comparing what they do, to my 'noob raids' is not even a contest. It is a poor conceptualization of right and wrong. I do what I do 90% of the time becuase I was provoked by direct attack on the forums or becuase an attack on my fedmates by a dminating force. There is no comparison. What they do is watch and prey on assets and hard work that they themselves don't appreciate or value. You can never compare me taking a few inactive countries to this kind of belligerence. The whole lot of you makes me sick. It will only be a time before you are dealt with on an observatory level. One person will not defeat this kind of arrogance. While there were more than 20 people that tried to boycott me on LU while I was not warring with anyone except a light skirmish with?!?!, you guessed it, yet another asshat who apparently took a guys entire empire for apparently no reason. I was going for HOF on LU and the mob hostile bid more than 150 corps in an attempt to sabotage my level and reduce my score so I wouldn't get first place. Is this what is in the spirit of the game? LDI was asked to disband or leave the game I believe for continued hostile aggression against weaker players. But they should have never been asked to leave. If you put these two side by side, the mob and LDI, one looks like a saint, and the other like pirates. LDI had substance. For the most part they fought players who had attitude and were willing to fight with them. They rarely attacked feds or inexperienced players without justification or a little forum banter precipitating such action. These mob just calculates poor defenses and a decent amount of assets = rape. Is this the spirit of the game? Members of the mob have spammed the boards with post after post crying for the gms to ban me, while wiping out people from the game themselves. There is no comparison in what I do and what they do. I unite federations and groups of people to fight me. I hardly ever take a fight knowing that I will roll over or whoop an entire fed. It just never happens that way. These guys look to take out military rich countries from people and players who have spent time building and have little experience in using them. An easy kill' so to speak. This is what the game has deteriorated to. This is negative game progression and the mob and their constant prowling for assets under the poor excuse of 'a good war' is exactly what has threatened the game for quite some time. Not me and my c3 wars or defense of my federation members. I think the track record of this federation is deplorable and despicable and should be addressed by the gamemasters in our upcoming Jozi chat. Their calls for limited or reduced wp should be discarded as well as their calls for the limitation of the use of c3s becuase the number of deterrents available is diminishing. Players should be able to use wp and any available means to defend what is theirs and what others wish to take. While what they are doing is within the rules, I know they cannot possibly wish for these or any other changes to further reduce the capabilities of those willing to fight and stand against such aggression. It is about time the mob has been called for what they really are, a bunch of lowlife thieves. (EDIT: I only offer this sidebar becuase I was mentioned in this Bshite speech)
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| Friday, August 6, 2010 - 03:49 am Lol not gunna read any wendy posts. I suggest everyone act similarly. No point arguing with someone who won't listen.  I didn't realize that war was banned in this game. Who ARE we "allowed by wendy" to fight? No one? Who cares? Nice.
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| Friday, August 6, 2010 - 04:55 am Suggesting? You opened your mouth and sais I only attack n00bs, I figured you would like a shot at pulling your foot out of your mouth. What I have argued here is based on fact, and supported by the historical and recent behaviors of your federation. You and your croniez have only thrown insults and baseless claims based on the fact that you simply don't like me. For the fortieth time in recent history you seem to have spoken yourself right into your own pile of BShite. Thank you for adding very clear examples of how you are full of shite and how your crew operates.
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| Friday, August 6, 2010 - 07:43 am "WGC offers no military threat to any player who does not threaten WGC. We were and are happy to live in peaceful co-existence with any player wishing to do the same. " jo, i think the fact we dec'd on you, should make us a threat, and as such...
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| Friday, August 6, 2010 - 09:27 am WB,GET THE FACTS RIGHT.I TOLD YOU I WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO DEFEND DUE TO WORK WHEN YOU DEC. ON ME.AND YOU STARTED THE TAUNTS ON THE FORUM.YOU ALSO HIT ME ON LU WHERE AT THE TIME I WAS WEAKEST.YOU TALK CRAP ABOUT HOW TUFF YOU ARE ON THE FORUMS BUT MYSELF AND OTHERS I KNOW WHO HAVE DEC.ON YOU HAVE HEARD NOTHING BUY CRYING FROM YOU THROUGH IN GAME MESS.JUST LIKE WENDY HEARS IN THE FORUMS.IT SEEMS THE ONLY PROPER WARS ARE THE ONES YOU START.YOUR A RAIDER,BE PROUD OF WHAT YOU ARE BUT STOP BI&^%ING ABOUT THE WAY OTHERS FIGHT.ADMIT WHAT YOU ARE AND YOU MIGHT GET SOME RESPECT BIGG E
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| Friday, August 6, 2010 - 10:16 am Give me a break Biggie...you hide in WP constantly...I caught you when you slipped after you repeatedly told me that you 'were going to get me'...then you tell me...oh I can't fight I have to work...even though I know you were logged in and moving when war was live. I offered to move the war to FB if you'd come out of WP there, you refused, I offered to give you some time to set up if you'd bring the remainder of your countries out, you refused. I destroyed you, after that you decd on Keto on FB and I destroyed you again with no notice and help from Serpent who also had no notice and no countries in the area. You got what was coming to you, talked way too much sh*t for what you could do and paid the price. Crying through in game msgs? Are you f*ckin kidding me? You were the one sending me in games to try to get me to not destroy you, and Windy hears nothing in forums from me but the truth. I've offered both of you one on one fights, if you come out of wp and take one of my countries before I take all of yours then I'll hand you my empire...but neither of you have any courage to step up to your talk. You are a bunch of sissy's who want to talk big and not be called out for it...and I'm the one that's crying...SURE BUDDY...'WB is an asset raider'...'WB is picking on smaller players'...'WB attacked me on the world I'm the weakest'...who is crying? All the BS you guys throw is exactly that, BS, you are stagnant, dried up and meaningless because you choose to play the game from war protection instead of taking a risk and stepping to the plate. You have not developed any skills nor the understanding of what kind of defense/garrisons/air d or offense to have because YOU'VE NEVER FOUGHT A REAL WAR...if that's crying then I'll cry a river. The fact is the few of us who have had the balls to fight straight up and the willingness to risk our assets have become the best warriors in this game...the rest of you have become meaningless sideline watchers. If you want to see what we could do if we were actually asset raiders then I'll show you because there is no one but the GM's to stop us. We can wipe out worlds...force everyone into WP, destroy the war game completely...keep up the BS and we'll do it out of spite. Hopefully eventually someone will step up but at this point it really doesn't seem like it. The sh*tty thing is that wp has destroyed the war game and the fed system and ultimately made everyone more vulnerable but none of you will look at it from an objective perspective. It's a big circle and maybe just for you and Windy we'll show you just how bad it really could be if we really were the people you try to make us out to be...there will be no one to stop us because none of you who whine incessantly about us on the forums have the courage to join up and fight us off. Have your c3 warfare...we'll still be the most dominant fed in the game...you can't stop us with c3's, maybe slow us down a bit but ultimately just piss us off even more. I'll admit what I am Biggie...I am one of the top 5 war players in this game right now...if anyone doesn't think so...bring it. I don't care about population, GC, assets, mil assets, etc...I have plenty...and if I get low there is more I can take that will be much easier than taking yours or Alarich's or WGC's...until you idiots get that it isn't about assets you'll never be able to stop us...it's about being the best...the best war players in this game right now and eventually ever. Unless someone steps up, at this pace we'll eventually have military dominance on every world...it's your choice...build a fed, grow some balls and stop us...or we do what we do.
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| Friday, August 6, 2010 - 03:20 pm Crying ^^^ Threats ^^^ more crying ^^^ /me Passes the kid some
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| Friday, August 6, 2010 - 06:22 pm KINDA SHOWED THE REAL YOU THERE WHITE BOY.I REST MY CASE. BIGG E
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| Friday, August 6, 2010 - 06:36 pm My favorite line "We can wipe out worlds...force everyone into WP, destroy the war game completely...keep up the BS and we'll do it out of spite." - White Boy I like this side of you White Boy. Why not destroy worlds just because AND out of spite?
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| Friday, August 6, 2010 - 08:17 pm It's more fun that way Double I'm just beginning to wonder what it's going to take for someone to step up, build a fed, learn the war engine and stop crying about everything we do. We aren't some massive conglomerate of players with all the experience and secrets...there are not 50 Mob members...not 40...not 30...not 20...not 10...BUT 5 MEMBERS...yes that is what you pretend is this ultra dominant fed that can't be stopped. We're at the point where we can no longer declare war on anyone anymore without it being an 'asset raid'. Me and EO vs. The FED - 2 players vs largest fed on LU at the time...Windy verdict: Asset raid WB vs Biggie - one on one, two players who have disliked each other from the get go, Biggie said I was a nub and he'd kick my ass...Windy verdict: Asset raid DTA vs The Mob (declared by DTA) - Windy verdict: Asset raid EO vs The UC - one player vs the remainder of a fed...Windy verdict: Asset raid The Mob & Friends vs. WGC - the best players of the largest fed in the game, total assets, pop, countries, military multiple times our size - Windy verdict: Asset raid The real me Biggie? Have I ever said I was a peaceful guy? Have I ever intimated that I was an econ player? Had I not been clear about what I'd do to you when you came out of wp? Have I not expressed my clear interest in the war game? Is war not about winning? Isn't the goal of any game winning? Stop acting like this is some sort of shocking revelation. You and Windy want to view me through the shade of your minds...YOU guys only care about assets, which is why you hide in WP...YOU guys want to pick on others but are not capable of doing so because you won't risk the assets to really learn the war engine...*I* want to play this game for what it is...A F*CKIN GAME...it's not your 401k that I ripped out from under you, it's not your home I'm 'stealing'...it's SIM (which by the way is short for SIMUF*CKINLATED) assets. I could care less about the assets...once again the sooner you all realize that the sooner you might actually be able to do something productive instead of CRYING in the forum about how WB and the Mob are such oppressive warlords. Stop your whining and step up or shut up. No risk no reward little ones...
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| Friday, August 6, 2010 - 08:34 pm Crying ^^^ Threats ^^^ more crying ^^^
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| Friday, August 6, 2010 - 08:44 pm the problem is the lack of war game, really the war game is fun, and cool. but because people are generally encouraged to NOT play the war game, players get stuck into the econ roll. slowly building assets. so that when some one chooses to play the FULL VERSION, they are labeled a war monger, and asset raider. and when those war mongers/assets raiders come around, these players that were encouraged to slowly build, and not fight, are at an automatic disadvantage, true. but really who's fault is that? not the players that are choosing to play the FULL VERSION of SC which they payed for. however, if the war game was more widely embraced, this problem would eventually disappear. the game TRULY, would not only be more exciting, but also actually live up to the advertising, the intro, and the documentation. but it is the "forced peace," by the player base that actually makes the war game difficult. honestly, it is really easy to build up a sizable military. *it really is* so the thought of loosing assets, really shouldn't be as great a concern as it is. but players aren't taught how to build up assets, they are taught NOT TO, for fear of it being taken. in fact, it often seems to me, many players are cringing in fear of actually enjoying the game. and creating a general attitude of fear of war, and war players. it my personal opinion, that the longer this attitude continues in SC, the more the game will die.
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| Friday, August 6, 2010 - 09:31 pm Exactly Orbiter...well said. As I said before...the current cycle is: 1. Get a country 2. Build corps 3. Add pop 4. Build more corps 5. Build an army 6. Become afraid that you will lose the country/army 7. Go into WP so you don't 8. Transfer workers 9. Transfer workers 10. Transfer workers to infinity Go look at how many 'war slaves' are out there sitting in war protection...top 50 slaves on every world, probably half are in war protection. Why BUILD a WAR slave and then keep it in war protection? Don't you guys build these things to do something with them? Is it amusing to just sit and look at them...ooooh...look at all my int wings...oooh look at all those bombing wings...what's the point? We're treated as the crazy people for enjoying the FULL game as Orbiter said, for building slaves and then using them to fight with...how silly we are... I get that many of you REALLY enjoy just the econ side of the game and your countries reflect that, your finance ranks, your corps, lack of military because you're trying to squeeze every dime out of the country and don't need the added cost. Good for you guys, I've got no beef if that's what you enjoy. It's the rest of you, those of you with war slaves and quadrillions in mil assets that you sit and stare at in war protection? What for? Why not turn those slaves into econ slaves if you're never going to do anything with them and they'll be left alone by people like us...we don't touch people's econ slaves, it's not any fun to just click through 20 forts and paint...it's fun to FIGHT, not raid. If you've got a sizable military, air d, garrisons, etc, then you obviously want to fight...otherwise wp is much cheaper and frankly not even needed if it is people like us you worry about.
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| Friday, August 6, 2010 - 09:35 pm I'M NOT SURPRISED WB.I'VE KNOWN WHAT YOU WERE ALONG. I JUST WISH YOU KNEW WHAT YOU ARE AND WOULD STFU ABOUT THE WAY OTHER PEOPLE PLAY THE GAME AND HOW GREAT YOU ARE. BIGG E
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| Friday, August 6, 2010 - 10:04 pm NB. This post has nothing to do with WGC and I will probably be reprimanded or kicked out due to it. It is totally my own thoughts. I have played many MOLP games over 20 years now and played SC about 7 years ago for 2 years then left it due to life commitments, then due to serious personal reasons in my real life started playing it again about 18 months ago to give me an hour or so stress relief each day. I have not been dec'd on in this current war so far so not saying anything out of spite, just concern. Most MOLP games are dictated by who can click the most or who can spend the most time online. SC is different as it gives you a multitude of ways to play and if you do not want to play a clicking or massive time online game you can play the eco game. If you like clicking and have a abundant amount of time you can play the war side. SC even have gone as far as creating different world types to facilitate this, I chose WG when I can back as I wanted to slowly build an empire over time, without using my credit card or having to spend a lot of time in it and love the indepth numbers game of SC, the butterfly effect, the trading, managing population, trying to run at a profit, building my own self enclosed Common Market to try be 100% self sufficient etc. I am not intersted in the war engine or going to war, if I was I would have chosen one of the other worlds. I joined WGC so I had protection from small rogue players who would asset raid me if I was not online for a period or the like (I actually could not play for a couple months last xmas and WGC looked after my budding empire while I sorted things out in real life, they have done that for many of the members). That being said, I know a lot of other players, especially on WG are in the same boat. A lot of WG players have demanding jobs or health issues or the like and can't spend huge amounts of time, or have long periods where they are not online for defending their empire, but spend many years slowly building their empires and WG and WGC especially give them that chance to do that. What is happening now is about to destroy that. SC made the mistake of being able to transfer assets between the worlds quickly, so WGC is a ripe target for the war worlds to extend their war dominance. When WG players want war the players build empires also on the war worlds (a minority), or leave WG totally to go there. If the war game was the thing that was going to save SC then there are 4 other planets that can happen on. WG was made by the vet player base as the haven from that for players who are not interested in the war engine. I for one will probably be leaving SC due to this, as I cold not be bothered spending another year or two to get back to where I was, or have that real threat that what has taken me RL years to build could be taken due to transfers of massive assets from other war worlds. If you somehow win the war against WGC, how many of the WG players do you think will stay? You will basically have WG to yourself and have the satifaction of destroying many years of peoples game play, who chose to have a different game play to yourselves. Then there will be 5 war worlds and no world catering for a slice of the consumer market like myself. Well done. You will not get my empire as I will simply dereg as soon as the war decs come as I can not be bothered with clicking and spending more than my hour a day. Have a serious think about what you are about to do....
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| Friday, August 6, 2010 - 11:00 pm Nicholasian - I'm not familiar with you or your role in WGC but I do not think what you are saying is accurate. First, every world is a war world, WG is no different, almost half of the products in this game relate directly to war and that includes WG. If WGC is not about war and WG is not a war world, then why they 500 million man standing army? That's the largest standing federation army in the game by far. Second, you pointed out that we *DID NOT* declare on you in this war and it is for exactly the reasons you stated, I don't know of you specifically because the only players we were/are looking at are those with the largest militaries in WGC, as an econ player, you do not have one or if you do I'm sure it is quite small. Third, leaving SC due to 'this' and having to spend a year or two rebuilding? We aren't going to declare on your countries or take them, if you don't get involved in the war and you are an active player then you have nothing to worry about so long as this doesn't turn into a drawn out affair in which we are fighting off c3 decs everywhere while everyone hides in WP, if that happens...all bets are off and we will dec on whoever we can find. But I don't think that is very likely, so again, you have nothing to worry about. Fourth, the other worlds aren't anymore 'war worlds' than WG, I'm not sure where you are getting that idea. FB is technically the 'war world' but if you looked at it over the past year you would hardly be able to tell, it's just like all of the other worlds with everyone hiding their slaves in WP afraid to use them for the task for which they were built. Fifth, we did not transfer assets between worlds, all of the weapons and ammo we have on WG are directly from WG, we built our empires from the ground up on WG over the past 3 months or so, with the exception of EC and Serpent who already had large empires there, I started completely fresh, as did EO and Orbiter. Last, it would be very sad if you were removed from WGC for posting this as you should have the opportunity to express your concerns. I think your concerns are misplaced and I'm glad that I got the opportunity to address them and hopefully put your mind at ease, if not, I'm sorry, but everything I've said above is true. For the record: WE DO NOT WANT TO DESTROY WGC as a federation, we have no interest in deccing on every member and taking their countries/assets/etc. Those of you that have been decd upon, we have chosen you for obvious reasons, the rest of you who are active players, if you don't get involved in the war then your countries will be left exactly as they are with the only caution being that if c3 wars, etc are used against us, we will turn this into a no holds barred fight. But again, knowing this, I do not think the leadership of WGC will take that path but that is indeed their choice.
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| Friday, August 6, 2010 - 11:23 pm Hi Whiteboy I don't really care about your opinions of how you think it is, there is more than enough of that in this and other threads. I am giving my own opinion as deep down I want to keep playing SC but know where this is all leading. Just because I do not post here does not mean I do not know SC. Anyway enjoy your game, I won't be responding to any further posts.
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| Friday, August 6, 2010 - 11:25 pm "Fifth, we did not transfer assets between worlds, all of the weapons and ammo we have on WG are directly from WG, we built our empires from the ground up on WG over the past 3 months or so, with the exception of EC and Serpent who already had large empires there, I started completely fresh, as did EO and Orbiter. " ---WB in fact i returned to SC on april 5, so after four months, i not only built and tore down an empire on LU, but built several giant war slaves on WG. destroying what people work years for? my point is that players are often discouraged from the type of things that allow fast build up!!! case in point, with small amount of time, raiding even a single C3 a day, can generate enough GC to buy 5M pop a week!!! but players are discouraged from raiding C3s. because the common opinion is that you can't make a profit. you can, any of the players on WG or LU who even every once and a while look at the paper, would notice my constant C3 raiding, its how i built my empire. "This post has nothing to do with WGC and I will probably be reprimanded or kicked out due to it." ---nick as far as causing many players to leave the game over this? well, i guess. how ever, if you look at the WG forums, it is a busy day if their is 2 posts!!! why? it seems that Jo is the only one in WGC allowed to talk!?! honestly, how many players choose not to play on WG for this reason? Or join SC, start on WG, and end up leaving because nothing ever happens? (DBD made such a statement the day before the war decs were put in place,) frankly, it would be a shame, if you were reprimanded for stating your opinion. in the past, players that wanted to war, had to some how prove that the war was justified, and would often be very abrasive, just to provoke and pick fights. and with the old SC chat, it was well known that it was a rather hostile place. expect new players of course wouldn't now, and presto... instant noob. the atmosphere of enforced peace actually forces players to act belligerent, to be able to justify fighting a war, when the game docs clearly state that the full version of the game, includes war. lastly, i would like to say, WGC is a great fed, and has enjoyed a level of success few feds ever will be able to duplicate. few feds could remain the strongest power in the game, for as long as they have.
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| Friday, August 6, 2010 - 11:56 pm They aren't opinions Nicholasian...they are facts...WG is not a 'peaceful' world...it has the same features as every other world and nowhere is it stated that it supposed to be a peaceful place, the over 100 different corps related completely and directly to military should be enough to indicate that it is indeed a world that features war just like the others. If you want to leave the game when we haven't decd on you and don't intend to then it sounds more like you are leaving because you fear that you will no longer be a member of the most dominant fed in the game, not because of anything we have or will do to you...this attitude that the biggest players with the most military in the largest fed in the game being attacked makes them victims is a joke. If we were ganging up on you Nicholasian, then you'd have a point...but we're not...we've left you alone and all of the other members of WGC that are like you. Don't read or post if you don't want to, but portraying my facts as opinions and saying things like 'I know where this is all leading' is a bit ridiculous, I don't care how long you've been playing the game, the facts are the facts and one of them is that EVERY world is a world that features war.
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| Saturday, August 7, 2010 - 12:00 am -2 points Whiteboy
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| Saturday, August 7, 2010 - 12:01 am Make it -4 for repeating the same 'I don't think you understand...' to every and any person who is not in line with your God(eye) perspective of SC.
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| Saturday, August 7, 2010 - 12:02 am Shitty opinions at best. -3 more points Whiteboy
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| Saturday, August 7, 2010 - 12:09 am yappy poodle
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| Saturday, August 7, 2010 - 12:16 am little noodle?
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| Saturday, August 7, 2010 - 12:23 am Yankee doodle
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| Saturday, August 7, 2010 - 05:39 am apple streudel
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| Saturday, August 7, 2010 - 07:37 am And Iain has volunteered to become the first nuclear holocaust victim. Great thinking Iain.
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| Saturday, August 7, 2010 - 07:37 am For the record, you attacked an Econ player. I sent messages to the countries that attacked that I was an econ player, but you attacked, took a couple of countries and declared on a couple more. Have a nice life.
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| Saturday, August 7, 2010 - 07:45 am IM please message me. You weren't a target - but you might have countries in feds of people being attacked? I was not aware you were being attacked. This is a mistake. Please message me and I will arrange for the return of your countries or compensation.
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| Saturday, August 7, 2010 - 08:22 am Right... I wasn't aware either.
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| Saturday, August 7, 2010 - 05:10 pm Seriously? Okay, here is my unsolicited observations and opinions. Some people don't like the war game and some people do. Some people don't enjoy the game when they have to spend hours clicking buttons to defend their assets, other don't enjoy it unless they are. All you're doing is forcing some people to play the part of the game that they don't like so that you can play the part of the game that you do like. Why do you have to do this? Because you recruited 90% of the players that do enjoy the war game. If you want to fight so much, you shouldn't have brought all of the fighters onto your team. You've recruited the strongest war fed and now feel you need to challenge other non-warlike feds in order to have your funsies. True, war is part of the game. But most people don't war for fun. This post will probably come back to bite me in the ass later, but I'm planning something much different. BC
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| Saturday, August 7, 2010 - 05:25 pm Thank the Fn Lord. Well said BC. I stated in another thread earlier, the problem is consolidation. Of course strong war players can band together and play a tough war game. But the cause stated is for a 'good war'. I think a 'good war' would and should consist of players that can win against the other on any given day. That said, it is time warlords began fighting warlords, not targeting weak links as a 'GROUP'.
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| Saturday, August 7, 2010 - 05:33 pm You're not exactly innocent yourself, Wendy. For that fact, neither am I, but I plan on using what assets I have left to make the game fun.
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| Saturday, August 7, 2010 - 06:29 pm Well said BC
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| Saturday, August 7, 2010 - 07:28 pm If wgc kicked our butt... would it then have been 'fun'?
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| Saturday, August 7, 2010 - 08:06 pm Ok,heres my 2 cents. First off, well said BC. Secondly, I think the "mob" is nothing more than a bunch of common thieves. You say this is about warring to have fun, you don't attack econ players, but so far I know for a fact you've attacked and stole assets from 2 econ players in this war. You've stated to a number of WGC members "don't take it personally" How are they to not take it any other way? Work for years building an empire just to have it stolen from them by a bunch of thugs. You state that your taking on the biggest Fed in the game when in reality, there are only 3 or 4 members that actually work on their war game. So since you have 6 members taking on 3 or 4, then its nothing but bullying and ripping off assets. Serpent...you stated "If wgc kicked our butt... would it then have been 'fun'? I don't think WGC would have thought it was fun but more that you got what you deserved, since you started it. Brutus
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| Saturday, August 7, 2010 - 08:37 pm We have all the war players BC? Really? There are 5 of us in the fed...is that all that's left? We're allowed to shoot at eachother and that's it? WGC is an econ fed? Multiple top ranked war slaves, the biggest military on WG by multiple times...and it's not econ players we are attacking...who is an econ player? These are all players with HUGE army's and military assets. PLUS, we had already committed to giving the countries back to them...I swear, this is such a joke. War is now a dirty word and we've now gotten to the point where not only can you have war protection, not only can you fight with just c3's and hide your assets, but you can now have the largest fed in the game, staff the largest standing army and call yourself an 'econ' fed and call it asset raiding when you get attacked by a small group of players WHO WERE GOING TO GIVE YOU MOST OF IT BACK ANYWAY. You are not an econ fed when you have a 500 mil standing army, your countries are not 'econ' countries when they are sitting on 150T in mil assets and top 50 war ranks (with the exception of those stacked with mi's/mib's). This BS about some players enjoy war and some don't...that is true, Maestro DOES NOT enjoy war for example, but Windy, Jo, Iain, Biggie, they all enjoy war...WHEN THEY WIN. When they lose, it's ohhhh pity me...I was beat up by someone bigger...or it was a bad time. WGC didn't come to power on WG by snuggling with kittens and kissing babies...they had their wars and have used their complete dominance of WG to intimidate and suppress others, as evidenced by Nicholasian's worry that he'd be kicked out of the fed for speaking up, that was their right...they had the power, they earned it. The only thing that is being taken away from them is that power...we now have it and we're going to make some changes...stay tuned. Seriously people, this is a game, all of this 'what we've worked so many year's to build'...that WASN'T work...that was PLAYING...playing a GAME. If you put money into the GAME it was for ENTERTAINMENT purposes, you weren't paying for anything REAL, you were paying for ENTERTAINMENT. Stop acting like we just walked into Jo's house, kicked her out on the street and then stole her retirement account.
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| Saturday, August 7, 2010 - 09:41 pm Simply put... if you dont want to play the game, which war is a HUGE part of then, buy WP and stay peaceful. No using c3 to attack other players. We have put our ASSets on the line against a much greater opponent in numbers and assets. It is impossible to have huge armies in countries and expect somebody to believe you are peaceful, or econ only. The MOB is a small group of players. How could 5 players make so much noise? If we were asset raiders only then we would have hit the weak playes, and not spent the time and assets to hit the big players. We took on the best of the biggest. How is that unfair? War is a part of the game. Granted losing isnt as fun as winning, but it never is. Just play the game!!!
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| Saturday, August 7, 2010 - 09:53 pm 150T in military assets for an econ player?? Maybe 'e was an arms dealer.
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| Saturday, August 7, 2010 - 10:05 pm Well said White Boy
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| Saturday, August 7, 2010 - 10:39 pm A message from the Econ Players: Bump
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| Saturday, August 7, 2010 - 11:43 pm Yes, war IS a part of the game, but 1.) Some of these players are the same ones complaining on other forums that otherplayers are ruining the game for other players (Wendy) but it turns out you're all just whining because her actions and the way she plays arenwhat've way YOU want her to play. You don't care about SC 2.) Assets and fed size don't matter when players are inexperienced, don't have the will, or don't have the time to fight BECAUSE they are here to play peacefully. 3.) War is part of the game. So is hostile bidding, WP, SM, and C3 warfare but you've all complained against these things. 4.) Yes, there are very few who want to play the war part of this game. That's why there are very few wars.And you have more than the 5 you brought to WG. You have your friends and allies on the other planets that your either too friendly to fight with or are already feded with. I think others have pointed this out. 5.) Some of you complain that this game is getting worse and that we need more feds, involvement, etc. Why? So they'll build up to give you a challenge whether they want too or not? Sounds to me like all's fair and cool as long as you control the situation. I could go on, but it won't make a difference. I just wanted to get it off my chest.
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| Saturday, August 7, 2010 - 11:49 pm And, the same people that threatened and attacked people who didn't have military assets to defend their shit before, now say that if you have mil assets, it makes you open game. So WP is the only option now. Either stay in WP or we attack you. Why not? I'm sure the GMs will love it. I'm SURE that will make the game better. Everybody WPs up and you guys complain that everybody is in WP and nobody wants to fight. Laguna was right.
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| Sunday, August 8, 2010 - 12:00 am Your right BC. It should be interesting...at least to the GMs. Either they lose a lot of long term players over this thievery or they make alot of money from all the GCs spent to stay in WP and protect your empires. Brutus
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| Sunday, August 8, 2010 - 12:55 am I wish some people would define what is the "right" way or the "wrong" way to use a C3 in war? Is it wrong to nuke from a c3, but right to use one in an infinitely more devastating way, such as launching conventional assaults(of varying types)from many players, using a coordinated team style approach? When does a C3 become something more then a C3? When one dumps a few pop in to get it around 16mil? C3's should stay available for war period. you guys just proved this very point with this war. And, to threaten players should they resort to C3 tactics of their choosing with...I forget the exact words...with something like nuclear..blah, blah blah. i almost spit my coffee on myself when I read that one. I've stayed quite because I have no horse in this race. But, I believe my history gives me the deserved right to spout off every now and again. plus, i have nothing to lose..... So, I will spout... 5 war players can kill any fed no matter what size or how many military assets a country has. referring to statistics is meaningless. For those who may not get this I'll briefly explain. Imagine your in a chess match, only you didn't realize you were "playing" until your opponent moved four times then leans over and taps you on the shoulder with a war dec saying, "your move." This style setup is typical of a capable player. Add 4 more to the mix and its really just an exercise in futility for the other side. There are likely less then 10 players who really know war. 5 happen to be on WG right now. Since the advent of the new war engine the game is and has been tilted toward giving players with aggression a HUGH advantage. you can interpret that to mean the game is broke, or the game is great, depending on which side you happen to be on. I see far less players now then i did two years ago. Also, people love their shit in this game. even more since its become very hard to lackadaisically build an empire. I think history will say you picked the wrong target, not because they are war like and gonna woop ass but because they are liked by just about everyone. that is infinitely more impressive Ive learned over the years.
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| Sunday, August 8, 2010 - 01:29 am Intresting opinions. I do have a question or so and some observations. First, there is a provision for econ only players, called WP. If you are econ, then get WP. But have no ability to carry on war with another pres. Because remember econ is not military. Simple solution really. The issue with c3 style fighting is not because some choose to fight with a c3. The issue lies in the fact that they put nothing at stake while trying to gain alot. Fight with 10 c3's, its ok, but have something to back up your actions other than a worthless c3. Another question though. How should the war part of the game be exercised? By popular vote on the forums? I understand there are diffrent views on this subject, and no doubt there is no perfect solution to the issue. But there are plenty discussions over why there shouldnt have war, is there any as to why there can be war? One discussion say no picking on noobs, no problem with that. Another is not to attack econ countries, well, then let them buy WP. But why cant a fed with much much smaller numbers attack a much much larger one, and then not even dec the noobs of that fed? So basically Im wondering if there is EVER any reason that some players can play the war part of this game? If not, then why not do away with all the military in this game. No need for it then.
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| Sunday, August 8, 2010 - 01:39 am Anyone is a target, even me. WP is expensive. Some people can be virtuosos with C3's. I prefer they stay for my own selfish reasons. And the stakes? Well there is more then just assets in this game now isn't there? Some things are worth MUCH more then coin;) Some people dont like war, not me I love it.
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| Sunday, August 8, 2010 - 01:46 am Who have we attacked that DIDN'T have military assets and defense, get your facts straight BC. We always have and continue to hold the opinion that players who want to play the econ game and not be bothered with war should be allowed to do so, as such we've attacked no one who couldn't defend themselves. This is a game and like any other game there are things about it you like and things about it not so much. It's like I just said to Jo, when playing basketball, you may really only enjoy shooting...but you still have to pass and play defense...it's part of the game, you don't get to selectively choose which parts you enjoy and forget the rest. There is a part of SC that players can enjoy selectively as it's own game, the econ side, they can choose to have secured and war protected countries. However when you are running a 1300 def index and a 500+ off index with 400T in mil assets, you have CHOSEN to play the war game...or is that not enough of an indication? Do we have to have people post signs on their countries that say decs are OK here? Is it not correct to deem countries with those kind of indexes as WAR slaves? As such, aren't they designed for...well...WAR? Another question...is there ANY fed out there who we can dec on WITHOUT you guys all throwing a fit about it? I'm guessing just 3M...but we have had personal knowledge that although they are always up to defend themselves, many are not particularly active at the moment and both sides have reasonable fear of it turning into a 6 month long affair as has happened before, something that would not happen without c3 warfare, but that war will come. After that...then what? We stare at our slaves like everyone else? We have complained about c3 warfare because it is a waste of time and other people should not be able to hold others assets hostage without posting some of their own...skin in the game...don't get why that is such a crazy idea. Also, the reason that there are so few war players now are directly because of people like Wendy using c3 warfare, we really would like to recruit others into the fed and train them, many of which would then spin off and start their own feds...that's natural. However, we can not do so without putting those people at significant risk because people like Wendy will decide they're great targets for a raid, purposely start some beef with us (so that she has a 'justification' for war, which apparently makes no difference if it is manufactured) and then lob a couple of meaningless nukes at me or EO and then c3 dec our trainees. Barney - I'm not sure what you're referring to with the c3 tactics stuff...I said if they resort to c3 warfare then all bets are off and we're going to dec whoever we can instead of just focusing on their few top players because they'll all be in wp. No one is arguing that c3's shouldn't be used in warfare, you have to use them if the country is any distance from you, the argument is that if you are going to war with someone else, they have assets at risk, so should you...this war exemplifies that point, we have I don't know 100 countries...90 are out of wp...we have several hundred T war slaves all out of wp. Ultimately I think your last point is correct Barney. We expected something totally different than we got, we expected a big fight...they had everything they needed to fight us...from the outside looking in we really thought this would be a huge challenge and we'd get beat up pretty bad and hopefully edge out a win. We were wrong and it was clearly the wrong target. It was Iraq when we should have gone to Afghanistan and now we're going to be stuck fixing it since we blew it all up. The war game is dead, any ideas on how to revive it will be welcomed. EDIT: The throwing a fit part did not apply to Barney, I accept his comments as constructive and not whining.
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| Sunday, August 8, 2010 - 01:47 am If somebody gives you a reason to war. It happens (or used to happen) all of the time. These people generally deserve it or provoke it and sometimes enjoy it. If you don't want to hear people bitching about war, don't bring it to the forums, and don't try to act like your just the guys trying to have fun and it should be fun for everybody or they shouldn't playthe game. Just do your business. If you want to be the aggressive, war fighting "bad guys", suck it up and do it. Quit trying to convince people that you're in the 'right'.
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| Sunday, August 8, 2010 - 01:57 am BC - We're not trying to convince people we're in the 'right'...war is rarely about 'right' and 'wrong'. At this point the argument is more structural in the game...a huge part of this game is war...but it's no longer OK to declare on anyone if you've worked really hard to get good at it. It's kind of like getting the #1 finance rank and then being told you can't make money anymore...kind of stupid.
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| Sunday, August 8, 2010 - 02:03 am war isnt about who is right ...only who is left ;)
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| Sunday, August 8, 2010 - 02:09 am I guess that adds some realism. We all have differrent opinions. I know mine have changed since I started. I ran off a player because of the 'no defense' arguement. And I don't think of it as 'thievery' as some might. Bullying would be mire appropriate, but that's the game. I think it comes down what we think makes this game good, and then will this cause the game to be better or worse in the future. Threatening people into perpetual WP or causing them to reduce to a SM and C3s is not, in my opinion, going to make this game any better. You complain about there being too few players and that people aren't joining Feds. Well, it sounds like this is causing people to quit or cutback, and why join a fed if this is the result? Problem is, you guys are talking out of both sides of your mouth. One way on LU and another on WG.
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| Sunday, August 8, 2010 - 02:12 am Hi. My name is Lolosaurus, and I participated in the war against WGC. Before this, I had never really fought a war against active players...just c3s for stripping, and inactives. Coming from this position, I had no idea what to expect. Well, last night I took 3 countries in southern AB. There wasn't any resistance, and they all went down in a little over an hour each. After getting on to SC this morning, reading the WG newspaper, and seeing all the points raised on the forum, I decided that this was not a fun war and not what I wanted. So, I wish to make amends to the players whose countries I took and extract myself from the war. I sent a message a few hours ago to the affected players. I sent the same message to all 3 and I can't post the exact text here because I didn't save it. Paraphrasing, what I basically said was that keeping their countries would not be in the spirit of honest competition, and I wanted to give them back. They could either retake the countries (I'd remove all defenses) or buy them back at the minimum price of 50 GC and I'd give them extra cash to compensate for this cost. Well, here is the message I just got from Frank Stone: Listen asshole you have fucked up my game as well as many others. I have been a peaceful player, never even went after C3s. Only reason I added weapons was to move up the rankings. I dont wqnt the countries back or anything to do with you. Go #### yourself. I understand that people are angry over losing their assets, but this is uncalled for, particularly when I've explained my position and offered compensation. I do not think I want to compensate this player any longer. To be honest, I'd rather de-reg that country fully loaded and watch it fade to nothing. 
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| Sunday, August 8, 2010 - 02:17 am BC, I really understand where you're coming from. I'm not sure you understand where we are coming from. We generally play the game in the conventional way. We build our countries, and defend our countries. We have discovered profitable econ strategies, and on most worlds, our empires are cash cows, despite having large militaries. We have made as many levels as we care to (who feasibly can go past level 14 and 15?). All that is left in the game for us now I guess is being declared on by wendy sporadically or using war protection for ever. There are no politics left in this game. No one interacts with each other except to cry when they get their stuff taken by a complete noob. I've seen the WORST war tactics I have ever seen in this war, and it shocks me that people would have several hundred nuclear weapons launchers, but yet have no offensive weapons to speak of. What in the world are you doing? How do people with empires of 12 countries, not know to shoot air defense? How hard is this game really? It's disappointing really that this war ended up as it did. I'm sorry that in 2 months, we can half-heartedly set up enough to take out a massive federation, but really, it wasn't hard... at all. Perhaps this decision to attack wasn't the greatest, but really, why not? If people really are leaving the game and the game is in a state of decay, status quo certainly isn't doing well enough. If simcountry wants to become an econ-only game, it should just go ahead and do it. I might play, who knows. If me attacking ANYONE is just regarded as poor taste, what really is there to play for besides being attacked by Wendy or eternal war protection? I don't see much of a reason to be in a federation otherwise, and could just sit in war protection making money. Couldn't I just play an econ only game at that point? Is that all simcountry is?
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| Sunday, August 8, 2010 - 02:18 am I said at the top that this was bad, I think the response kinda summed it up. Flip a coin, just be sure it lands on your side. Nice show of class, Lolo for falling out, not much of a challenge huh?
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| Sunday, August 8, 2010 - 02:18 am Somebody mentioned my name? I'll make it clear that I haven't lost a country to war on this account yet... I've fought two players so far.
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| Sunday, August 8, 2010 - 02:20 am @eo Again, I thought this wasn't about me, you have the floor now tough guys, leave me alone.
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| Sunday, August 8, 2010 - 02:25 am Screw you Lolo, you are in fact exactly what I said you were. Am I going to keep giving $$$ to play this game every month when someone like you can come along and, without giving me any time or warning, totally destroy my peaceful work? No. Why would I want my countries back? So you can take them again at your whim? Just like I didnt have time to prepare for your war, I dont have time to screw around retaking countries and buying and selling to make you feel better now that you are feeling guilty for destroying our countries. I dont even know how to retake a country! Of course there was no resistance, we weren't playing a war game, as you knew. Go back to the immoral world where you came from and leave me alone. Frank Stone Franks Folly White Giant
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| Sunday, August 8, 2010 - 02:27 am i think whats deceptive, is mil assets. Players that are considered vets have massive military...from old lvl requirements. Now, there is a peaceful mode but not e1 uses it, given they already have mil available. Weapons are usually defensive only
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| Sunday, August 8, 2010 - 02:29 am I don't think so at all BC...we like feds and wish the fed system was stronger. If we wanted to destroy WGC then we would have just started at the bottom and worked our way up and wouldn't have told them they would get their countries back. We were hoping for a traditional federation war, a good challenge, we'd win some battles, lose some battles, eventually one side would win...I thought we would win eventually but I didn't expect this...so we f*cked up...clearly misread the situation. In a traditional federation the players at the top are more than capable of defending themselves against attackers and it's their job to defend the smaller/beginning players from attackers which is the most difficult part. We thought we were bypassing that by only attacking the biggest and most veteran players...again we were wrong. I'm not threatening anyone into perpetual WP, I'm just saying it seems odd that people have war slaves and it's not OK to declare on them. Or people have a 500 mil army and it's not OK to fight them. I don't think the answer is more WP, I do think it is more federations, but federations have to be strong enough to survive attack otherwise they aren't doing much. There were alot more players in this game before, when war was rampant everywhere...a lot more forum posts, a lot more activity and a lot less attachment to individual countries...people act like their countries are pieces of priceless art. The fact is I can build a top 10 war slave that makes a small profit monthly in less than a month, this isn't 'life's work' or anything...it's a game...as in any other game, you win some, you lose some. Just like this situation for us, we won the war, we took a bunch of countries but ultimately we didn't really get what we wanted to begin with which was a good fight...so we lost the thing that we wanted most.
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| Sunday, August 8, 2010 - 02:33 am Come on man, this is getting really over the top. It's like I told you the first time: I'm new to war. I didn't know this would be a massacre. Maybe I should have or maybe not, but the fact is that I didn't. If I haven't done so before, I want to make it clear that I am extracting myself from this war and likely leaving White Giant entirely. I will not retake your countries or anyone else's. If I was interested in your countries or assets I'd just keep them right now since I already have them. Look, before we started fighting, you warned me that you had "ample defensive weapons and nuclear capability." To me that indicated a willingness to fight. If you didn't want to fight you should have just told me you were an econ player and weren't prepared or interested in war. I would have left you alone. I'd give you the country back for free but I can't, the mechanism isn't in. The best I can do is let you buy it for 50 GC and give you cash to cover the cost.
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| Sunday, August 8, 2010 - 02:36 am So why not stop when it was easy to take the first country WB? Oh, back to the asset raiding part of it... With all this bad PR Of course, you wanna give them back right...
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| Sunday, August 8, 2010 - 02:43 am Wendy, what war would you say isn't an asset raid? Ever? The war where a player is nuked to the ground instead? Curious what war you define as NOT asset raiding. Is war just to be banned or frowned upon permanently? I messaged everyone I was attacking before decs went live and offered them back should I take them. Jo and Dale can confirm this. If I needed resources, I probably wouldn't throw up a brand new empire on White Giant that bleeds cash.
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| Sunday, August 8, 2010 - 02:46 am @eo Again, I thought this wasn't about me, you have the floor now tough guys, leave me alone. So why not stop when it was easy to take the first country WB? Oh, back to the asset raiding part of it... With all this bad PR Of course, you wanna give them back right...
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| Sunday, August 8, 2010 - 02:48 am Don't detract from the message E-Unit
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| Sunday, August 8, 2010 - 02:48 am If you want to be left alone, you can refrain from posting. Once we realized it was THIS easy, we stopped. WGC had players who came out firing. Jaffle and Keith were both shooting as much as any of us.
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| Sunday, August 8, 2010 - 02:50 am Lolo, my countries never made it into the "Top 20" list of military might, economic might, anything else on White Giant ever. So why was I on your list of targets? Because I had built up a nice, juicy empire that someone could take. Don't you think I have a right to be pissed after putting in nearly 3 years here? I only bought arms to level up to 13 and reach #1 for a month of passing fame. Again, go f--k yourself. Frank Stone
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| Sunday, August 8, 2010 - 02:56 am Umm you gave them no choice but to fire. You attacked them, regardless if they were going to fire or not. You then proceeded to take economic countries after promising not to do so. Of course you stopped. Public relations can be a *Iotch Again, you wanted the spotlight, you now have it. Try to deflect from what the problem is now, YOU. At least LoLo had enough Stones to apologize. You on the other hand... tsk tsk... the coin.
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| Sunday, August 8, 2010 - 03:02 am WGC has not posted to this thread so far because we have learned over the last four years that most wars are started because of posts to this forum and we wish to avoid that. Our goal has always been to enjoy playing SimCountry and to encourage others to enjoy playing SimCountry. WGC is comprised of players who wish to create balanced empires, understanding and excelling at the economic side of the game, achieving high scores and levels and being able to defend ourselves and our newer players against threats. We have never wanted to destroy anything that is valued by other players, whether or not they are in our federation, and our track record bears that out. We have fought a number of wars, always started by another player, and have always showed restraint in the outcome. WGC did not seek this war and made every effort to avoid it. However, WGC has lost the war. We were destined to lose for a number of reasons: The mob planned the attack for many months, scouted our countries, benefited from insider knowledge and built up their military for that purpose alone, ignoring levels, scores and economics with the sole purpose of destroying WGC. The mob insisted that we should enjoy them destroying in a few hours what took us years to build and, when we did not, used that as an excuse to carry on attacking us. We offered a friendly wargame, we offered one-on-one battles, but they declined. That would have removed their advantage. Their interest did not lie in promoting the war aspect of SimCountry - those remaining members of WGC who have the resources will be forced to activate war protection in order to continue playing the game the way they choose to. That is contrary to the mob's stated goal: "No war of any substance has been fought this calendar year ... This is truly not the spirit of a healthy game, or a fun one." Neither did it lie in testing their skills fairly against equally experienced players. Their goal was to brag about beating a fed that was perceived as being the biggest in the game, despite never having sought or promoted it. They did not question why we had achieved that reputation. If they had, they may have realised that #1 war rank is nothing compared to generosity, respect for others and wide-ranging skills. The mob have argued that this is a war game and that we should have been prepared for war. We were prepared for war and for a long time have been able to protect our more inexperienced fedmates from players who sought to prey upon them. If we were a war fed, with no newbs to defend and only experienced players who cared for nothing but to build their offensive military, we might have given them a fair fight. But the mob were few, experienced, well-resourced, had nothing to lose and did not care for anything but their own goals. WGC is not, and will never be that. The mob have argued that they understand building an empire. However none of them have spent any time building their empires on our planet, and their empires on other planets are protected from us, since WGC plays only on White Giant. Therefore they had no empires at stake, whereas WGC did. The mob have argued that they support new players, but they have consistently threatened our less experienced players, holding them to ransom against our vets acceding to their demands. If they really supported new players, then they would support federations which do not threaten them and who help new players to succeed, like WGC. The mob promised that they did not wish to target economic players yet, when they were notified of economic players they had declared upon, argued that those players were "well respected fighters" based on the size of their empires, not their style of play. The mob have said they did not do this to raid assets, yet they have targeted the largest players with the most assets. They then promised to return the countries they took - at a price and minus the assets. The mob have argued that they needed to needed to neutralise a threat caused by them declaring on WGC. If ever there was a circular argument, that is it. The point that the mob have not yet understood is this: There are many ways to play this game. The mob have only one way of playing and they have demanded that WGC play it their way. We refuse to do that. They have destroyed what we built, they have removed our ability to protect new players and their tactics have convinced some really good players to leave the game. But when all is said and done, those of us in WGC who remain still respect other players and the many ways there are of playing the game. The mob will always just be bullies. This has been a war of those who wish to build versus those who wish to destroy. It's interesting that neutral players, Wendy and one of the mob's own fed members all agree that this was out of order. Even the mob have admitted that no one has won here. That says something. WGC would also like to thank the many players - sadly too many to mention each one - who have sent personal messages of support and offers of help. Hugs and respect Jo
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| Sunday, August 8, 2010 - 03:05 am War is Hell....Someone famous said that. Everyone that knows me in this game knows I have not been in a single war with a human player. Never have and never will, I play an econ only game.(In permanent WP since September last year) That being said: The victors in this war need not have to explain themselves. You have chosen a path in this game as warmongers...Well, so be it. It's only a game. "Econ" players have no business being in a federation. When you join a federation, you are commiting your empire and it's resources to the mutual defense of each other. ...And not using your fed mates as mercenaries to fight your wars. This war has exposed the largest federation on WG as nothing but a paper tiger. When the dust settles, the players involved in this conflict on both sides should use the knowledged gained and grow from the experience. Regards, Maestro
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| Sunday, August 8, 2010 - 03:40 am It wasn't exposed Meastro It was known. I knew that only a few countries had any relevant power to defend against a well prepared and coordinated resource rich attack. I as only one person fighting multiple members of WGC could only limit my attacks to countries that were inactive because I could seize them. But as one player could not have ever hoped to achieve what was done here taking several large asset rich countries. The mob and its' players were well aware of the true capabilities and reach of the military of WGC. They have done this on LU as well with another at the time largest fed that was nothing but a paper tiger. In that fed only one or two were moderately war experienced and one was largely a cash built empire. I pointed out that the mob is driven by greed. It is apparent if you look at their behaviors that they only wish to play war, if there is some prize at the end of the road. They came to LU built up some inactives, mostly large asset rich inactives, and called it their empire. They used it to take on players who had built their empires. Same deal now on WG. And other places on a smaller scale. War is not fun if you calculate what is needed to take down an empire of fed regardless of what they do in defense. That is not skill that is stockpiling and capitalizing on skills not possessed by the opponent. What skill the opponent has is quickly offset by the number of weapons one commits to the war. I can have 4 or 6 million man army, yet it all is MIB. I can have 200 trillion in military assets and 90% of it being ammo. The Mob did their homework to their benefit, but the only one who will be fooled by the 'good war' excuse is players like you who only started the game recently and think every country over 60 mil in pop and 100 trillion in military assets will go for 100 gc. What happened here is nothing new. This has been going on and I have been saying it for a long time. This group of players has been on front street for quite some time, but people are unwilling to do the things they need to do to counter this kind of behavior. This will no doubt force the game to be played different than before. I will say this. It is easy to build economic nations that will make enough money for wp and then some. I have been doing it for quite some time on LU. I think the reason the Mob hates me so much is that I can reach out and touch them while I have what I value to be worth playing the game for in WP. That said they are crying about me and c3s so much, yet I have not engaged any of them in months. Despite the repeated calls to do so, the provocation, the insults, the boycotts, etc. When I want to I will flatten a country one by one by one if I want to do so. EO can attest to that reality. And that is why they can't stand me. This group has a superiority complex, they wish to dictate how you , think, feel, play, contribute, interact, participate etc. And if you don't adhere to their reality, they wish to take your things. With me there will be no such luck. Newer players that are entering the game or staying behind should in fact build in WP. Persistently transfer stores of ammo or goods and cash to your main. This is what it is literally provided for. The mob will say the exact opposite, but having your assets stored in your secured main so that you cannot be completely wiped out in the even that the mob comes along was exactly what the gamemasters wished when they introduced secured mode. This event and others like it, is probably the single most likely reason they will not remove it despite recent requests for the gms to do so. Some people don't know when too much is too much. What I truly hope, is that players who were rubbed the wrong way find within themselves to dust themselves off and keep playing. The community at large sees what is happening and it won't be long before the system, but more importantly the players, react and adjust. The first way is putting all your slaves into WP. If you take the bait away, the fish won't bite. Second, you could run an economy that will pay for WP by accident with very little effort. There are several ways to make even more than WP warrants, and this will be what you can shave off the top for other things. WP is doable, and affordable. WGC of all feds should know this. Start with WP, and you can stand your ground, even make sure, these fewls don't last long on your planet.
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| Sunday, August 8, 2010 - 03:43 am Windy - As you said, this has nothing to do with you, so shut up. At the beginning of the war it wasn't so easy necessarily, they successfully brought down 50 or so carriers which made it more difficult however we didn't realize that the full extent of their offense had already been spent so we continued on being shot at and we have continued to take shots although we have stopped fighting, which is no big deal. Ultimately, it was very easy and I don't think we took even half of the countries we had planned to...I only took 4 countries, 3 because they were directly bordering EC's top war slave and therefore were more dangerous than the others...the 4th...that was just because I REALLY don't like Ian...he deserved it. I will say that we screwed up, I won't apologize to WGC though. They were a huge fed with a huge military who had complete control of an entire world, although they say it wasn't by their choice, there are plenty of players out there who will disagree with that and have felt intimidated by WGC. I say that we screwed up because we expected a challenge, we thought they were a fed that could and would fight. Instead it wasn't much of a fight at all. Yes we scouted them out, yes we built empires designed to win that war, that's what you do when you're going on offense and their own over-confidence has caused them to stop doing things like, watching what is going on around them and noticing that one of the best war players in the game has a country in their region called 'WB 020 WG HM Strip' that is loaded with 50T in military assets and had been growing in both pop and military assets for 2 weeks. Not seeing us coming was pretty...well...naive...we were all over the place and I think our track record is pretty clear...we like war...not a secret. We targeted players with the most assets this is true...but not because they had the most assets, because they had the most MILITARY. The list of people from WGC who have been victimized is a joke when you look at their empires, war ranks, mil assets and game experience: Jo Ian Kaymen (We didn't know he was leaving the game and once we discovered stopped all attacks and will be returning the countries we took) Aaron Jaffle Dale Keithvann Joe Green decd on us so we returned the decs but didn't take his countries, Industmech and Frank Stone were never part of the original plan and as you can see both have been offered their countries back. Saying we didn't have empires we had built is a joke, just because our empires aren't currently at high levels doesn't mean that there weren't plenty of assets on the line for us. I have 2 75 mil pop countries just like my countries on LU, a 50 mil pop and several 25-35 mil pop and I fought with all of them...everyone else was the same. Except EC and Serp who actually had very large empires on WG before any of this...so that's a stupid complaint Jo. Ultimately is the game better off because of this war, no, unless in some way it sparks a revolution in SC back towards war which is what most players who have left the game were interested in most. But I fear that isn't likely and instead we have made the game worse off at this point...or at least WG because some members of WGC probably will leave...there is no reason for them to and no Jo, your players don't all have to be in WP, we're done there, we went for a challenge and were disappointed. Stating that there are many ways to play this game is like saying there are many ways to play football...offense oriented, defense oriented, 4-3, 3-4, I formation, 5 wide, etc. Those are ways to play football, you want not a different way to play SC but the structure to be completely different. More than 100 products of the 215 or so that are made are specifically designed for war, war is an integral part of the game structure...it is a formation of SC just as econ is a formation of SC...if you want a structure change then lobby to have war removed although I fear there will then be no game left.
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| Sunday, August 8, 2010 - 03:46 am Shut up or what? You'll huff... and puff... And blow my WP down? I think I'll speak freely and wherever and whenever I feel. You just need more cheeze. Take your mask off nobody believes you are the goodguy anymore.
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| Sunday, August 8, 2010 - 03:47 am I really hate that I have to even post here as it has always turned out to be a mistake to get involved in the game chat or this forum but there are some things that must be said and addressed. First, the reason we urge WGC players to not post on the game forum is because it always seems to end in a flame war with the original topic lost somewhere mid thread. Members are not banned, it is recommended that it is avoided and if a post causes issues for members then the member who caused the issue is held accountable. Second, as raised by a few players military assets should never be confused for military power, nor should standing army. I personally had assets in most of my large countries but they were hold overs from the earlier war engine and basically were stock piled and not active. EO can confirm this as he is in possesion of those countries now. Anyone could have seen if they looked hard enough that although my war assets were high I had virtually no units set up at all. I personally had never been involved in a war with the new war engine since it was brought in, I don't like it and it takes too much time. I am busy running my company and don't have the time to do the point and click for six hours and hope the person I am fighting is in the same time zone as me. Third, WGC grew into the largest fed because we attracted like minded players who did not want to be involved in the other worlds that are considered more war like. We do not go around bullying people into doing things our way or threatening people. We simply gathered players who were looking for a social game that involved strategy and working together. We provided assitance as noted above to new players while they got started so they would not be targets of asset thieves. Did this make us a target? It did. I will not apologize for providing that service to new players though, I had it happen to me when I started playing this game a long time ago. Ms Claws and her fed stepped in and assisted me and I liked that and it was how I wanted to play the game. Fourth, to threaten the remaining players in WGC to contact you to join a MOB WGC federation or else be destroyed completely disproves your assertations above: From: WB 001 WG LM Econ To: Hanky Panky Hippy Land Real Date: 07-08-2010 20:16:33 World Date: April 08 2745 "It's time they were replaced by a fed who can actually protect it's members, one who doesn't play the victim when someone less than half their size attacks them. You should post on the forums that your econ and small guys should contact me or EO expressing their interest to join The Mob WGC, we'll take care of them and won't let our ego's put them at risk." Fifth, if what you sought was really a fun war, and truly wished to remain friends and possibly work together afterward something could have been worked out. I am sure if you had asked for a war of 5 on 5 most of us would have agreed, I would have. It has been done before and worked. That is not what you did and to keep saying it was for fun is just an insult to those players who lost countries. To say it is not personal, of course it is, there are thousands of hours put into those countries for some players and of course they are going to be pissed and send you nasty messages, this surprises you??? I personally will not accept my countries back from EO, I have sent him messages to that effect and have been polite about it. Obviosuly I am pissed and my general feeling to all your members is FU, but who wouldn't be feeling that way. If I did it to you would you be feeling any different? It bothers me even more that someone I considered a game friend and a former member of the fed was involved but that is the world of online games, it happens. There will be people who leave the game because of this, I will not be one of those people. I will continue to play and build and try to help new players as WGC has done for the past three years. Will WGC and MOB be friends, allies, not as long as I am chair we will not. Someday someone will do to you what you have done to us, I hope I am still around the game to watch. I will thank EO publically for his offer to return my countries but I dont want them back. I will thank Lolosaurus for his same offer to Frank but I support frank in his reply. I think he is the one person in your group that actually gets it. WGC shall remain on WG and continue to play the way we want to only from here on out we will not forget to watch our backs. Thanks for the lesson boys.
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| Sunday, August 8, 2010 - 03:50 am You're such an idiot Windy...do you even read anything? Nothing you are saying is the least bit true and you're wasting everyone's time with your BS. Yeah we attack new players and new players need to be afraid...NAME 1 F*CKIN new player we've attacked? It hasn't happened. None of the WGC countries were loaded with MIB's idiot, Jo had 2001 garrisons in every target with 700 aab/200 dmb/800 mib and ground as well as over 200 int/heli wings...give me a break. The countries we took were countries that looked very similar to our own war slaves and in Jo's case in particular were actually more well defended than our own...WGC wasn't defenseless...they lacked strategy and offense... The reason you annoy us is that you pretend that you are actually good at this game and build yourself up on the forums as if you have a clue. Of all the people that players should take advice from, the last one is you, because even at this point, you're still the most hated player in the game because of your BS.
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| Sunday, August 8, 2010 - 04:05 am Dale...you are reading that msg completely wrong...that was me NOT threatening the other players...that was me telling Jo, after she asked who was going to defend the new players from the likes of Wendy, that she should send them our way, we'd protect them and wouldn't put them at risk by letting our ego's lead the way as evidenced in messages like this from Ian: From: Fighting Kittens To: WB 001 WG LM Econ Real Date: 07-08-2010 05:16:34 World Date: February 16 2745 Subject: Hi CheeseBoy Message: Don't take it so personal. So, four hours later... and, are we having fun yet? (like your bitch would ask ... if you had one... ) E-mail: or this one: From: Fighting Kittens To: WB 001 WG LM Econ Real Date: 07-08-2010 07:16:08 World Date: February 24 2745 Subject: Re: Re: Hi CheeseBoy Message: OOooo now who is taking it all personal. Aint you the big boy. Like I care what you say WendyBoy. We know the truth, YOU and me... an easy raid... go for the econ fed. So are we having fun yet? Perhaps we can all be friends later and gang bang some other players? Get a life WendyBoy. or this one: From: Fighting Kittens To: WB 001 WG LM Econ Real Date: 07-08-2010 07:22:13 World Date: February 24 2745 Subject: Re: Re: Hi CheeseBoy Message: I just read this again... so your bitch says "What are we going to do on Friday night darling?" and you respond... "Look after the 10yr old... me and my mates are going to stuff a load of people who think computer games are neat and pass me some more camembert". Now go away or I will get really nasty. or this one received just a few minutes ago: From: Fighting Kittens To: WB 001 WG LM Econ Real Date: 08-08-2010 02:38:44 World Date: May 05 2745 Subject: Hi CheeseBoy Message: I saw on the forum... "we took a bunch of countries but ultimately we didn't really get what we wanted to begin with which was a good fight...so we lost the thing that we wanted most. " So... are we having fun yet? That is part of why the war went further than it should have...someone couldn't shut up. It doesn't surprise me that people take it personal, but it does surprise me that the established federation ends up playing the victim. In addition, I continue to hold that the thousands of hours put into these countries is ENTERTAINMENT and people shouldn't act like it's death if one is lost. Lolo does get it and he probably shouldn't have decd that country at all, I wasn't aware it was being decd and as Lolo stated, the countries he took were basically defenseless...NOT at all like the countries the rest of us took. From his perspective he sees all of this on the forum and knows how easy his countries were so it looks like an even bigger massacre than it really was. You're probably right though Dale, someone will eventually do the same to us...if we are active then it'll be a lot more difficult for them, but there are always the next guys. You're wrong about our reaction though, it'll be one of respect, if they can take us out then they are better at the game than we are, they deserve the spoils. That's where we are different and me and my guys don't take it so personal.
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| Sunday, August 8, 2010 - 04:15 am I am not playing the victim at all, I was not prepared and paid for it, I admit it. The players posting here were ones who believe that they were misidentified. Those who have the fighting countries have not posted, nor do I think they will. As for personal messages those are individual to individual and I will not comment, has nothing to do with me. To state that it is the reason why it went further says more about motives than anything I could say. You are entitled to your opinion and view of the circumstances, I dont agree, and you dont agree with me. Posting to convince anyone of the opposite is a waste of time, nothing will change, we will each be judged on our posts and actions and there is nothing we can do to change that.
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| Sunday, August 8, 2010 - 04:22 am Yeah, the advice I gave was WP.... At this point, am I the last person anyone should take advice from? I guess they should take it from you? You have double talked your whole way through this game, don't even mention the whole way down this thread. WGC needs to be defended from the likes of Wendy?! Wonderful point. I took three inactive countries and nuked a few others. And after taking their countries you should now be their protectors? So active WGC players I see Whiteboy will protect you from I guess himself. I see where that could kinda work. I guess.
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| Sunday, August 8, 2010 - 04:24 am Funny I'm still talking, WP is working just fine. That WP is baaaad advice. Out of breath yet MinnieMouse?
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| Sunday, August 8, 2010 - 04:32 am And why is Serpent and Slade now attacking MOP's countries when you know he is away recovering from a car accident and is an econ player?? Time to reign in your mates if what you posted above is true.
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| Sunday, August 8, 2010 - 04:33 am So, what do you want WB and EO? Everybody to stay in WP? Everybody to keep less mil assets? Keep people from joining large feds? Players to play the war game whether they want to or not? People to tell you that you have the right to attack anybody you want? Well, you do. It IS part of the game. I'm just tired of you bitching that the game is getting worse and that you love the game and want to find a way to make it better and this is how you do it. This isn't the first time for either of you. I'm WELL aware of that. You're not encouraging the war game, your forcing it when you do stuff like that. Now I'm becoming a preachy bastard.
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| Sunday, August 8, 2010 - 04:38 am Ok. I have not posted to this forum for a long time and a few of you know why but now I just have to. No I do not send personal messages like the ones whiteboy has posted. I have been respectful at all times in my dealing with the Mob. If I can not think of something to say that is apt to the game then I will not bring my federation into disrepute by bad mouthing another player, either publicly or in private. It is just a game and we do not know when we will need an ally in the future, it does no good to upset another player in this game. I assume whiteboy is now fabricating evidence so he can start stripping the n00bs now he has destroyed the fabric of WGC. Easy for anyone to do and post to this forum as in this example... From: WB 001 WG LM Econ To: Fighting Kittens Real Date: 08-08-2010 02:38:44 World Date: May 05 2745 Subject: Stop Shooting Message: Ok. I give in. I think whiteboy realises he has lost and is even denouncing Lolosaurus for going against him. Well I'll be going now. I hope you all have fun. All the best. Iain
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| Sunday, August 8, 2010 - 04:46 am "Yeah we attack new players and new players need to be afraid...NAME 1 F*CKIN new player we've attacked? It hasn't happened." I think we already pointed out exactly why you don't attack 'new players'. You want them to take time responsibly building as in this example WGC has. Without provocation you attacked clearly unsuspecting and ill prepared opponent 'KNOWING" you would win. Yo Yo that was some 'good war' man you guys are awesome, I think you have proven my point on like eight different threads you started lol. Keep talkin WB. Edit: don't forget, you guys just saved the game from decaying. /me Hi Fives nobody...
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| Sunday, August 8, 2010 - 05:19 am I was one of the one's that Deccd on MOP. Obviously didn't know the situation and will not be going forward.
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| Sunday, August 8, 2010 - 05:20 am Im going to formally ask, in a public manner, that the mob stop this against WGC. These are players who have been around many years longer then just about everyone. Barney Rubble.
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| Sunday, August 8, 2010 - 05:30 am Thanks Slade, it is appreciated.
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| Sunday, August 8, 2010 - 05:31 am Dale - I've put the word out that the war is over, MOP will not be attacked. Windy - First, you're an idiot. Second, that was Jo's comment to me, not my comment to Jo...try reading once and a while. We didn't KNOW we would win...I'll post the MSN convos if you want to see them, we were really quite concerned that we were taking on an enemy that was too big and we could lose. BC - I think what we want is the game as it used to be, where when you decd on the largest fed in the game with the largest army in the game and ONLY decd their top people with large amounts of defense and the ability (assumed) to fight, it wasn't treated like the entire world was coming to an end. No, I don't believe everyone should be in WP and I indeed believe that WP is the reason that the came has come to this point, it's too easy to avoid war so no one learns the war engine and people isolate themselves in it. If you take the position that we wanted to destroy WGC then you could say we don't want people in feds...but that wasn't what we were out for otherwise we would have kept going and we weren't out for assets because we would have first gone for the undefended and again, we wouldn't have stopped. We were out for a fight, a challenge, as I've stated many times...and again, I have the MSN logs to prove it...perhaps that will be the way to get everyone to understand our intentions. Anyway, I think feds are the answer, and I think there are a few of us out there who should discuss it...you included, so msg me...portal or in game...wherever. I will say though, I don't think EO and I did anything wrong when we decd you guys, it was 2 of us and a bunch of you...we didn't know you were in such a bad spot personally and were going to leave the game or that Daelin was only working on econ or that Alarich was well...Alarich. You guys had just got done fighting LOFN together on FB...again, thought it was going to be a good fight.
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| Sunday, August 8, 2010 - 05:32 am Barney - We already stopped this morning...this conversation is all that's left. A few guys didn't get the word and were going to take MOP who they thought was completely inactive.
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| Sunday, August 8, 2010 - 05:36 am Stop spinning Whiteboy. While we were talking, Elechristian took the one country I cared about - the one I started with four years ago. You didn't stop this morning, you just distracted me with your empty promises. Talking of spinning ... I would really like to hear from those players who "have felt intimidated by WGC". There aren't any, apart from those who have directly attacked us. Why do you think we have so many members? Attacking MoP, who is recovering from a car accident, demonstrates incontrovertibly what the mob are about. They knew this long ago and promised they would not attack him in the "first and only disablement wave". Now that wave is over, the next one follows. Spin an excuse to destroy the people who can defend, and then go after the inactives and the noobs. The message is clear. Why bother building anything when it is so much easier to take? Some people are fountains and others are drains. I have been playing this game for four years and built an empire I enjoyed and a lot of good friendships, but the mob have convinced me not to place my faith any more in humanity ... in the game as in RL. Thanks to those players who have supported us, but we have to face the fact that the bullies will always win. Kaymen was hanging on ... not able to log on much because, rightly, RL is more important than the game, but as a result of the mob's action, he is deregging. Who knows how many more will follow. Well done to EO, Orbiter, Serpent, Elechristian, Whiteboy and Lolosaurus. Nothing more to say. Hugs and respect Jo
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| Sunday, August 8, 2010 - 05:40 am And that is a wrap, see you all at Jozi chat. BE THERE!! Or be square I started this thread, and I hope to be able to close it. Thank you all for contributing, and have a good day.
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| Sunday, August 8, 2010 - 05:48 am in regards to MoP, i just entered decs against him. i originally signed up for this mission with the hopes of getting a piece of him, as i have a grudge against him. it is my understanding he's been gone for quite some time, and is unlikely to return. and as a result, i can not have my preference of fighting him, the second option, which is much less desirable, is to take a semblance of retribution. and as far as econ player, well, any econ player that activates 11m army, prior to back stabbing a friend, not only has it coming, but is inviting it. again, i'd prefer he was active to for this, but i doubt that will happen, at least anytime soon.
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| Sunday, August 8, 2010 - 05:50 am So you are going to take econ inactives now. Lmao Since the cat is out the bag... might as well huh?
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| Sunday, August 8, 2010 - 06:09 am Empty promises? Give me a break Jo. I sent msgs to you, Jo and Keith 15 minutes ago that your countries that I took are, in your case, already up on the market and in Keith and *Iain*'s case up on the market next month once the cash I put in them shows in the system. They haven't been touched...all weapons, ammo and population remain. Don't put Kaymen on us, he told me in his first msg after war started that he was already stripping and planning to leave the game. In regards to MoP, as stated above by Orbiter, he has a personal beef with him that he wants to settle. It isn't a Mob fed action, it is personal and as such he will be operating alone.
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| Sunday, August 8, 2010 - 06:15 am sigh
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| Sunday, August 8, 2010 - 06:15 am So, as I said in a previous post, whiteboy has denounced lolosorus... and now it seems he is denouncing Orbiter... if he denounces another member of his fed we can call him Peter. Just listening for the cock to crow. All the best Iain
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| Sunday, August 8, 2010 - 06:20 am I'm not denouncing Lolo...I said Lolo was right. From what he saw this war looked even more lopsided than it was...and he did the right thing. Not denouncing Orbiter either, he got in this to get a shot at MoP...it's his personal issue, not a Mob issue.
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| Sunday, August 8, 2010 - 06:23 am You know what though...f*ck it...as Dale said...I'm not changing your minds...Windy has voices in her head telling her what to think and WGC is upset with us...not going to change either of those. Barney has said his piece as has BC. Both had good points and other points that I disagree with. So...to wrap this up...I'm done talking about it.
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| Sunday, August 8, 2010 - 09:16 am Looks like someone is due for a diaper change...
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| Sunday, August 8, 2010 - 09:36 am WB,I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THE WAR PART OF THIS GAME.I SPEND THE COINS FOR WP TO KEEP FROM BEING RAIDED.AND COMPLAIN ON THE FORUMS WHEN I LOSE? I HAVEN'T COMPLAINED ABOUT THE ARSE KICKING I GOT FROM EO LAST YEAR IN THE BIG WAR ON FB,WHO BY THE WAY USED C3's WHILE ALL ASSETS WERE IN WP,NOR HAVE I COMPLAINED ABOUT LOSING TO YOU AND KETO ON FB.I HAVEN'T EVEN COMPLAINED ABOUT YOU WRECKING MY EMPIRE ON LU,I HAVE ONLY STATED THE FACTS ABOUT THAT WAR WHEN YOU DISTORTED THEM.I SAY AGAIN,I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THE WAR GAME,I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH YOU JUSTIFYING YOUR STYLE OF PLAY WHILE CRITISIZING THE STYLE OF OTHERS.AS SERPENT SAID IN AN EARLIER POST.JUST PLAY THE GAME. BIGG E
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| Sunday, August 8, 2010 - 06:07 pm @ Orbiter about MOP. No one said he is not coming back, if your wish is to seek revenge against an absent player I have nothing to say about that except enjoy the raid because that is what it is regardless of your statement.
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| Sunday, August 8, 2010 - 06:11 pm Stopping WGc from stepping in on the raid was an obvious objective of the larger war. The underlying motive was Orbiter's long standing issue with MOP who is now inactive. The Mob just cleared the way.
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| Sunday, August 8, 2010 - 06:47 pm what ever dale, your attitude is getting old. the wounded victim... you know, you got up and preached how you wanted to, and did create a fed that would protect new players. then went on to say that you don't even know how to do it with the war engine? if you want this war to fade away. you might wanna stop judging us. and calling us name. as we have avoided returning the same. and frankly we could return it. he have stated that you guy weren't a challenge, but thats more of a fact that we could not ignore. if it the war was really an asset raid, we'd still be fighting. we could start to insult you, and your every move, or lack of it. including, it seems that WGC's main defense, is to play the sympathy card. i really have a beef with mop, when it originally happened, looking things over, i thought i could take him. but because of the "forced peace," and the fact that players are generally encouraged not to fight, i did not have the confidence then, that i do now. i truly would rather he be active. that is no lie. it my understanding that he has been inactive for a VERY long time. and as such, because i'm in a position to, i will, as i don't see the point in waiting. so stop trying to decipher my motivations. you aren't very good at it.
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| Sunday, August 8, 2010 - 06:59 pm the assumption that any person who attacks another is a "raid," being incorrect aside from that, Wendy is correct, i knew that i'd never be able to attack MoP, with out WGC getting in the way, so allying with the Mob to be able to repay MoP for his betrayal of my trust... would indeed, be correct
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| Sunday, August 8, 2010 - 07:09 pm Attitude? You are in error sir, I believe I am quite calm and rational here in all my posts. I have not played victim, you are confusing my posts with others or are just not reading them. I am sure you wish he was active, so do I, I am not questioning that. If you want to get your revenge against an absent player go for it, I am just pointing out a discrepency with what was stated above as the purpose for this war. I am not preaching, I was simply stating the purpose of why we got together. I have admitted I failed in protecting those, show me where I did not do that. I dont see anywhere that I have judged or called anyone names, re-read my posts and you will see that. I am not deciphering motivations, simply pointing out that this "fun war" was not just that, or it was but now it is about opertunism, which is fine, just admit it. There are other things going on now and after WB said it was over, it is not. After WB said MOP would not be attacked, now he is. It is you who are being defensive because what was said above is now, not being lived up to. That is on you and your mates and everyone will know from here on out that is how you operate and play the game. Nothing wrong with it, I am just saying admit it, like you did above. I give your credit for posting your true motivations now. It is a grudge and your getting payback. Good for you, enjoy.
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| Sunday, August 8, 2010 - 07:40 pm your very post, is labeling me, that is judgement. you have a policy of holding your members accountable for their statement on the forum, but in this regard, you are separating them from yourself you are not talking responsibility for the statements, or actions of you fed mates. but you expect WB to??? in regards to WB saying that inactives would not be attacked. he was unaware of my intentions. i had in the past explained them, but at those times, allot of other things were going on. allot of late nights. and often a point some one makes can be missed. it truly was just a brain fade moment, atleast thats my guess, as i don't really wanna speak for WB, i was irritated when i spoke to WB about standing down from MoP. he in fact told me to. then i explained my position, and he could only wash his hands of it... for the miscommunication on our level, i apologize. but i will not apologize to for my current course.
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| Sunday, August 8, 2010 - 07:47 pm So now I can't post and point out an action I think is unfair?? If I do I am judging you?? That is what this forum exists for. A forum is for statements, hence the reason it is called a forum. As for being held accountable I am talking about an action, not statements. People are pissed and are going to express that, despite posts to the contrary we encourage people to speak up, we just do it on our own forum usually first but everyone is free to post here if they choose to. I take your explanation as presented, and accept it.
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| Sunday, August 8, 2010 - 08:39 pm WGC, why do you even post on behalf of your fedmates? Any of you? You certainly didn't even TRY to help each other. You didn't even TRY to defend each other. You just demand that you're safe? That is idiocy. Why even have a federation? So now you demand that a LONG TIME INACTIVE that will deregister soon anyways is left alone? So... you can look at his countries? You just let warplings deregister. That could have been 1000 gcs for one of your new players. What use is it just letting that stuff waste away anyways? Wake up. You guys are a joke.
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| Sunday, August 8, 2010 - 08:48 pm We post because we are friends. As stated we were caught unprepared, and have admitted so. Reasons for fed have been stated, read back. There is no demand, again, try reading back. Simply pointing out that what we were told would happen and then had opposite happen. Orbiter has explained. Wait, I guess you are posting on behalf of your fedmate, it must be somewhat okay then right? Can always judge the level of arguement how fast name calling comes into it.
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| Sunday, August 8, 2010 - 08:50 pm We act as a federation. You do not. Name calling came at the conclusion of a failed war, and is very accurate.
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| Sunday, August 8, 2010 - 08:54 pm I have called no one names. Was not our war either. Different types of federations act different ways.
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| Sunday, August 8, 2010 - 08:56 pm I am the one who called names Dale. lol.
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| Sunday, August 8, 2010 - 09:05 pm So again I say, you can always judge the level of an arguement how fast name calling comes into it.
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| Sunday, August 8, 2010 - 09:23 pm I believe the first names were called at the beginning of this thread.
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| Sunday, August 8, 2010 - 09:24 pm I was referring to our back and forth. But you knew that.
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| Sunday, August 8, 2010 - 09:31 pm Haha you're prompt on these repsonses Dale. Maybe attention to certain other parts of the game would prove more beneficial?
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| Sunday, August 8, 2010 - 09:33 pm Already started my friend.
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| Sunday, August 8, 2010 - 09:42 pm Didn't really want to get into this but also don't like being called a "thief" or a "thug". I was once part of the WGC. I still have friends in the WGC with whom I have communicated with during and since this war. This "uncontested" demolition was the LAST thing I expected from this war. As a member of the WGC, I heard stories of wars in past days and strategies for defensive and offensive setups. Hell, they even had a Rapid Response branch to thwart aggressors which I also took part in. I guess I'm still in shock that there was absolutely no fight. I guess since I was once WGC, I am now labeled as a traitor to them. If that's the way it has to be...so be it I guess. This war was supposed to be about a major challenge, and we often discussed the possibility of LOSING. It wasn't supposed to be like this...quite disappointing actually. I probably mislead my fedmates, The Mob, by telling them this would be a fierce battle. That being said...blame me for the misunderstanding. After I left the WGC and its "protective bubble", where we were discouraged to use the SC forum and GASP...NEVER use the SC chatroom...I got to meet new friends. There is nothing wrong with this. I had the privilege of meeting Whiteboy, EO, Serpent and Keto. Better friends and allies will NEVER be found. It has been an honor to be your fedmate. Thank you for taking the time to put me under your collective wings and help me develop my war skill and overall country management. If you look back at the WGC forum, I warned the WGC of this happening someday. Especially when they started expanding to GR and starting war with Wendy and company. I told them that one of these days....these players you are tormenting on other worlds will come to WG and pay you a visit. Guess what...Wendy came to WG and terrorized the WGC for a while. If you don't want to be in a war, why do you fight on other worlds? Seems you are misrepresenting yourselves and the WGC as a whole. EC
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| Sunday, August 8, 2010 - 09:47 pm WGC is not active on other worlds. Individual players are and are free to and if people want to cross over to get at them then I guess that is life. You were right EC, someone came calling and we paid for it.
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| Sunday, August 8, 2010 - 10:14 pm EC, You were "challenged" like the Japanese were on Dec 7 1941 Fool me once, shame on you Fool me twice, shame on me
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| Sunday, August 8, 2010 - 10:18 pm i've heard that line before, "The UC does not exists on LU," but hey, i see the point, i'll give it to you. "For the record, Brian, this Hippy is a she and she is hardly Harmless, as you well know. " -jo "As for Brian's latest offer ... oooh, that's a difficult one. Take it ... leave it ... take it ... leave it ... erm ... I think we'll leave it thank you. Now, can we get on with the war please?" -jo so its my understanding that Jo is the VP, and Minister of Foreign Affairs, meaning she is speaking for WGC, and these statements, make WGC look like they are willing to aggressively defend themselves... further, the way some of this is written, is actually humiliating to the target of what is said. which doesn't not allow the other person to step down while saving face. and almost provokes war. it is the classic thing of bullies to be tuff when they have the advantage, but run away from a real fight? i'm wondering who the real bullies are!!! "This little episode serves to demonstrate that WGC can and will defend its members' right to play this game peacefully and without interference." -Jo can and will? really? frankly, the mob came to WG to claim the crown of "best fed," as WGC seemed to hold that. To challenge for the the championship belt, as it were. And between Jo's forum posts, and as EC describes above. We had no reason to expect less. as far as an "ambush," well, WGC was well aware of our presence on WG. As well as the track record of various members. Our histories, tendancies, and grudges. when i first returned to WG for this mission, bombers were half price. it wasn't becuase some one was selling out, its just the way it was. over the last month, any one who would have looked at the demand for offensive and defences weapons should have been clued in to a massive build up. we were actively raiding players to help build up a power base. WGC was aware of this, as i got messages from 2 WGC players regarding my attack on dboyd, who fought more bravely than nearly any WGC member, and managed to save most his empire. given our presence, and the high demand for weapons/ammo, you'd think one of the 33 presidents would take a moment to look at our empires, and notice huge war slaves. strategically located countries, and C3s. Massive clusters, with huge air d wings. all a person in WGC had to do to see this coming was look. Doesn't WGC have ministers of defense or something? We did everything but send a PM to WGC stating our intentions. Catching you with you pants down? Its not what we wanted, but jeese, as you admitted, it was you own fault. so stop blaming us for it!!! seriously, if you are going to except responsibility for not being ready, then don't blame us!!! this wasn't an asset raid. honestly, you out numbered us, and out gunned us. Had you lived up to your reputation of being willing to defend yourself, honestly, we may have really needed it!!! But like EO said, you are a joke. you shouldn't be calling us theives, and thugs. if we were, then their are a few more players that would be minus their empires, right now. Joe Green, Joe Digs, come to mind right away. but both those guys have great attitudes, and honestly, are to good to be in your fed. as they are/were willing to sacrifice their butts for the rest of you. who's only defense is to cry "foul,"
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| Sunday, August 8, 2010 - 10:29 pm Well spoken Orbiter.
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| Sunday, August 8, 2010 - 10:39 pm "it is the classic thing of bullies to be tuff when they have the advantage, but run away from a real fight? i'm wondering who the real bullies are!!!" EO is a joke too, when his countries were being nuked by me on Lu he made a point to make a pitiful excuse of "Having Mental Problems" as the reason he went inactive after I depopped almost 60 million of his citizens. At least that was what was being passed around for his sudden inactivity. I'm sure the few people that repeated this in PMs to me becuase EO was the source of that rumor. I suddenly stopped nuking him and Keto, now that they feel they have the advantage or restocked uke defense they are both running their mouths crazy,,,, again. On GR when his country was being nuked to snot, which he deserved, he quickly sold off a few remaining solid slaves, placed the rest in WP and began to commit to using c3s against John L. So really you guys are more double tongued than the White Man on 'The Outlaw Josey Wales' You say this, and do that. You say that, and do this. This was an asset raid. If you look from beginning to end, only some countries were promised in return for a 'fun war'. It was said that you were offered a 5 on 5 deal, yet you refused to have a 'fun war'. You said you would not asset raid econ players, and did so. I fear the only reason you doubled back was because of the public response. Furthermore, Orbiter is now taking out a vengeance on 1's and 0's in an attempt to excuse it as a grudge with MOP. That is hardly true. Had WGC been intact Josias would have more than likely not been able to raid MOP. MOP is not on the computer, and given EOs statement, " What use is it just letting that stuff waste away anyways? , I think we can reafirm that this final act of asset raiding can be attributed to the fact that no one really believes this wasn't an asset raid, so why not take his countries? Even funnier is this 'We act as a fed statement' yet Josias is now acting 'apart' from the Mob and it has nothing to do with the Mob. Contradiction upon contradiction within minutes of posting, yet you all act as a fed, yet are not on the same page with Public Relations. Several Econ players were targeted despite your first post EO, and some of your party decd econ players anyway. You are Thieves and Thugs. I think people really wouldn't care if you just had painted it how reality is showing. I can respect a bad guy because I know he is a bad guy. Its the ones who masquerade as good guys and saviors that scare me. These are the pure evil of any bunch. I can avoid the bad guy knowing his intentions, but a wolf in sheep's clothing is sly as a snake, and crafty at fooling his victims into a false sense of security. You guys for the last month or so have had just about everyone fooled claiming you want to help restore a game that you have managed to help destroy in just a few days time. You have done well to make people think you aren't thieves and thugs up until now, but people will call things how they are presented and the obvious is clear now. Great Job you've earned it. Two faced scum of the slum.
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| Sunday, August 8, 2010 - 10:42 pm EC, it would appear that it is not just your memory of WGC's military capability which is faulty. Let me refresh it for you: WGC has never expanded to GR and WGC exists only on WG. The clue is in the name. Some of our members play on GR and some of those are part of GREF. Others are part of UC. However, they are entirely different federations with entirely different ethos. GREF / UC members follow the ethos and direction of the leaders of GREF / UC and WGC does not legislate on which feds its members join or how they behave on other planets. I have said that many times on many different threads on this forum. The reason WGC got into a war with Wendy was because of her ongoing battle with Kaymen on (I believe) LU. As far as I know, Kaymen never played on GR. When she attacked him on WG, as his fedmates WGC supported him and thus got involved in the war. WGC members are never prohibited from posting to the game forum, except in very specific circumstances on a thread-by-thread basis, as evidenced by the many WGC members who have joined-in with this discussion and others. WGC members ARE discouraged from getting into arguments (as opposed to discussions), insults and flamewars on this forum and WGC members who make posts which put their fedmates at risk are held liable for the consequences of their actions. That is as far as it goes.
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| Sunday, August 8, 2010 - 10:44 pm WGC have always been the lame duck of WG. This isn't really a surprising outcome. And the fact that they're crying foul is just another sign of the times. W3 have presided over the decline of this econo-war game. Now it's just economy. Players are too afraid to fight, in case they lose their assets. And, when they do lose them, they cry about it. Predictable.
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| Sunday, August 8, 2010 - 10:52 pm What part of WGC offering tthe MOB a fair 5 on 5 fight was unintelligible rita? They made an excuse for an asset raid. They were offered exactly what they claimed they wanted, yet refused and turned it down. Mob knew how overextended WGC would be trying to scramble and defend other smaller nations while their countries were the primary targets. Again, I don't think many would care much if they just said, hey, we're a**holes and want to take some stuff on WG. I might have even said haha, cuz I don't get along with many in WGC. But this is what worse than that. They just wanted to play the saint while being the devils advocate on their own behalf. Doesn't make sense to pretend.
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| Sunday, August 8, 2010 - 10:55 pm "@Orbiter...I get why YOU would attack WGC, I really get it," -wendy "But for you it is all personal. Remember that conversation we had when you first returned. My memory isn't short" -wendy "Orbiter is now taking out a vengeance on 1's and 0's in an attempt to excuse it as a grudge with MOP. That is hardly true." -wendy "Two faced scum of the slum." -wendy now @wendy, POT KETTLE BLACK!!!
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| Sunday, August 8, 2010 - 10:55 pm If WGC couldn't handle themselves because of their own size, then it's worse than being a lame duck. It's poor organisation.
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| Sunday, August 8, 2010 - 10:58 pm What WGC military capability were you referring to Jo? Seems except for Jaffle and Aaron, all of it left when me and Brutus left. I mean really...so few DESTROYED the biggest,baddest fed in the game in one day? Here is a great thought for you all to think on. Since Wendy seems to be a diehard WGC supporter now, maybe you can recruit her to be your defense minister. And, are you really saying that you and Iain never warred with Wendy on GR before the whole Kaymen thing went down? For the leaders of a major fed to do this, exposing the rest of the now obvious, poorly defended federation to attack, seems greatly irresponsible to me. Spin it how you like, that is truth.
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| Sunday, August 8, 2010 - 10:58 pm @ Wendy - you aren't involved. Shh. Jo, Kaymen raided an active player on LU who was so clearly econ that it is stunning. They guy had 7 countries, all around 60 million, and his total employed army was less than 10 million. Just because Kaymen isn't "WGC" on LU doesn't mean I don't know who he is. This doesn't mean I will avoid WGC because "WGC is WGC only on WG." That's like saying I'm going on vacation , and if I kill someone there, I'm safe when I go back home. Thats not the way of the world, and just shows how much of a fantasy land you were living in. You aren't any safer anywhere else - and you're not safe at home. Someone may go on vacation and come and get you.
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| Sunday, August 8, 2010 - 11:14 pm Re read my post EC. I never said WGC were militarily capable. You were the one who told your fedmates that, and you already admitted you 'misled' them. You also told them that Dale was a "well respected fighter in SC" which is strange given that, during your whole time in WGC and even since you left, you never saw Dale fight. Iain was in the same fed as Wendy on GR. Where DO you get your information from?
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| Sunday, August 8, 2010 - 11:20 pm yes, jo, you did actually say WGC was capable "This little episode serves to demonstrate that WGC can and will defend its members' right to play this game peacefully and without interference." -Jo
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| Sunday, August 8, 2010 - 11:21 pm I get why you would attack WGC, ORbiter, I really get it. But MOP isn't active, so it is really a poor excuse. At the time we discussed your issue with mop, he was active then went inactive again shortly afterward. So saying this is a MOP thing is BS str8 up. This is a slap in the face to WGC taking inactives from a fed becuase you now have the ability to do so. If that was your true desire I know you could have done so without the mob, because even I took 3 inactives from them, and I know you are better than me at war. It was an asset raid and now that the main defenders are crippled, the prize just got juicier for you. But still putting it on MOP is a poor excuse. Would you beat a teddy bear and say it was mops so you are getting revenge on MOP? No it is a teddy bear, MOP doesn't care. --------------------------------------------- EC, I just stated I really don't get along with many in WGC. I am not a diehard supporter of WGC period. I have tracked this group (The Mob)before you hopped on their bandwagon, and the story is the same. That is what I am seriously opposed to, clearly taking on a weaker opponent in order to gain personally. To make it worse you guys are trying to pain it like it was supposed to be some 'fun war'. You clearly admit that you knew WGC had almost no military capability when you and brutus left, so I don't see how you just two posts later try and act surprised they didn't put up a 'good fight'. Again contradictions within contradictions post after post. I never went to WG because of any war I had with Jo or Ian, I could have decd them on GR where I actually have the resources to take thier countries. I too come from a fed that has the exact same motto of not being on other worlds, so I can totally agree with what Jo is saying there. In fact Ian is still in the UC and I never decd him, or Jo on GR because of anything that happened on WG. I'm betting it is more likely that you had a very clear picture that WGC wasn't as strong as they were perceived and that was a gr8 determining factor to begin an asset raid on them. Sun Tzu reccomends and encourages the use of spies as a very essential tool in any war. You became one knowingly or unknowingly when you joined the mob. No doubt they used whatever knowledge you had about WGc in planning whatever you guys call what you did. @EO, I'll shut up when you can make me. I am involved as I want to be. I am a member of the community, and my interest here goes even farther than WGC. If we looked back to the LU war that you had with The 'FED' same pitiful excuse, yet even less skilled opponents. Criminals are easy to catch largely becuase they cannot help but follow patterns whether consciously or subconsciously. Clearly the Mob have been exposed.
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| Sunday, August 8, 2010 - 11:26 pm Wendy, will you at least verify one thing please? Did you fight Iain and Jo on GR? I seem to remember a post where you asked Iain Daddy to leave you alone.
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| Sunday, August 8, 2010 - 11:36 pm lol, when shes done, she can be quiet because she really isn't involved.
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| Sunday, August 8, 2010 - 11:38 pm I fought with Ian and Jo last december in the first GREF War. What is your point? The war was never fought on WG as an extension of any issue on GR. Ian Joined the UC at the conclusion of the first GREF war. I was peacefully thriving on WG for more than a real month before I decd WGC, because of Kymen and nonsense about an aid package I never needed.
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| Sunday, August 8, 2010 - 11:53 pm Ah Wendy such happy memories... ;)
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| Monday, August 9, 2010 - 12:41 am lol :s
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| Monday, August 9, 2010 - 11:19 am I'm not going to bother to correct all of this, but:
Surprise!
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| Monday, August 9, 2010 - 02:04 pm I stated earlier in this thread that I would not fire upon MOP but after receiving a decc, 24 hours later, from Iain, it might be time to reconsider. I did send Iain a in game message asking him if this was a auto decc. If I do not hear from Iain by tonight I will have to assume that it is a legitmate war decc.
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| Monday, August 9, 2010 - 02:38 pm Slade - Iain has left the game. He has no GCs left and can't access the countries.
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| Monday, August 9, 2010 - 02:43 pm Ok Jo. Thanks for letting me know.
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| Monday, August 9, 2010 - 02:52 pm So was it a dec or not? Couldnt have been an auto dec.
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| Monday, August 9, 2010 - 04:21 pm ??? no explanation?
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| Saturday, November 27, 2010 - 10:07 am Bump (just to make sure all of this stays in recent memory)
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| Saturday, November 27, 2010 - 10:53 pm Hehehe...all according to plan. Although this war was not my doing (it was some coincidence), I'm truly entertained by how these big feds would be delighted to kill one another. I guarantee, all the rigid power cards will go nuts knowing that the smaller, fresher nations like me will finally get the chance to ascend forth. It was fun watching the situation unfold into this very precarious scenario. Now, all I need to do, finish my wars against the C3s I've targeted and build my empire as they decline. It's the perfect time to expand! Adler, out. PS: "Dad you want some Twizzlers?" "No." "C'mon, they're really good." "No!" "Just try it." "NO!" "Well-" "BUTTF**K!" That was my favorite part of the Tourettes Guy.
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| Sunday, November 28, 2010 - 05:21 pm Adler, are you rubbing your hands toghether with maniacal laughter? Are you going to raise your pinky finger to the corner of your mouth? You're kind of reminding me of Dr. Evil lol
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| Sunday, January 16, 2011 - 12:50 pm Just in case you forgot ;)
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| Monday, January 17, 2011 - 01:29 am Yes show us what an ass you are. Although we haven't forgot.
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| Monday, January 17, 2011 - 11:33 pm Good luck both sides, nice to see some action.
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| Monday, January 17, 2011 - 11:54 pm This ended months ago. Check the post dates.
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| Sunday, May 22, 2011 - 07:19 pm Remember war??? It used to be part of SC.
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| Sunday, May 22, 2011 - 07:30 pm This particular war helped end its part in SC.
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| Monday, May 23, 2011 - 12:14 am Stop please.
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| Monday, May 23, 2011 - 03:03 am Oh, I forgot Border C, some feds,no matter how large, are above being decd on.
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| Monday, May 23, 2011 - 03:38 pm Doublestar, If I am still here, let me kwow when you start your game !
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| Monday, May 23, 2011 - 07:36 pm not open looking forward when you start the game
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| Wednesday, March 7, 2012 - 02:44 am BUMP... I loved reading this. Can anyone explain what actually happened in the war?
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| Wednesday, March 7, 2012 - 03:55 am It is a great read!
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| Wednesday, March 7, 2012 - 04:23 am I was reading the posts of the GREF wars the other day . SC is nothing like it was back in those days. Although I'm not much of a war player, those wars produced a lot more interest, drama, camaraderie, and participation between players than we have now. I don't miss the warring much, but I do miss the activity between players.
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| Wednesday, March 7, 2012 - 05:09 am Any idea the outcome CM? I know EC is gone recently... at least his last country on LU expired recently. Not sure how the rest are doing.
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| Wednesday, March 7, 2012 - 05:47 am The camaraderie and participation are not gone, Christopher. WGC stays true to its ethos and, despite attempts to spoil it, we still help new players and foster trust and friendship in the game. Sadly, many long-standing players, who were part of our fed then, left the game as a result of having their empires stolen from them in this war. But, because of the way we play, new friendships are formed and WGC has more members now than we did then. We also have our own forum, which welcomes members and non-members alike, and where we all enjoy the camaraderie of helping each other do better in the game The mob doesn't exist any more, to all intents and purposes, but most of its members are still playing and still targeting those worth raiding who don't protect themselves. They also keep changing their names, to maintain the element of surprise. EC is currently called 'Boogeyman' and Serpent is 'Trintrotoluene', but don't expect those names to last. After all, it wouldn't be 'fun' if you saw them coming, now would it? Hugs and respect Jo
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| Wednesday, March 7, 2012 - 07:00 am Jo, I tried to join the WGC forums a week or two ago, but it would not accept me......kept refusing the special code at the end. I will try again soon. I guess I was speaking more of the camaraderie on Golden Rainbow and GREF, which of course you and I are members. I'd like to see GREF return to some of it's roots. Goth and Bill, sorry I highjacked the thread about White Giant with my reminiscing about GREF......I don't know too much of the history of WG. I think Jo answered your question however. I do know that Jo, Homerdome, and I are still around with GREF on GR (I rejoined when I became active again last year).
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| Wednesday, March 7, 2012 - 08:03 am Hi Christopher, The WGC forum has been getting lots of spammers so the code at the end has been changed. You have to miss out the first and last two letters ( XX I think ) Check the text as it has something about it. Snuggles
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| Wednesday, March 7, 2012 - 12:51 pm Christopher, If you wanna talk about GR history, then you should be asking to have Matt., Yankee and AF to be back there ;)
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| Wednesday, March 7, 2012 - 09:05 pm Thanks Mr S.............I will give it another shot!
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| Thursday, March 8, 2012 - 12:22 am Where do you find said forums??
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| Thursday, March 8, 2012 - 03:04 am The WGC forum can be found at WGCforum.com. Registration is moderated and takes up to 24 hours to activate. Please mention that you play Simcountry in your reason for registering, so that the moderators know that you aren't a spambot. The authentication code contains four 'X's - two at the beginning and two at the end. Please read the instructions and ignore them when entering the code at the end of the registration process. Hugs and respect Jo
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| Friday, March 9, 2012 - 02:01 am Wait... do I type the XX's or not?? I tried not, but it didn't work. Then I tried with, and didn't work. Can you give me an example so I know what to do?? Appreciate it.
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| Friday, March 9, 2012 - 02:14 am You ignore the two Xs at the beginning and the two Xs at the end and type everything in between. Hugs and respect Jo
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| Friday, March 9, 2012 - 05:02 am Muh ahahahaha.
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| Sunday, March 11, 2012 - 12:21 am lol....you guys are ruining this great thread with all that WGC forum jibber jabber
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| Sunday, March 11, 2012 - 12:41 am LOL sorry... But I am in now. So its all good. ;)
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| Tuesday, October 9, 2012 - 06:29 am memories......Viva La Mob!!!!!!
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| Wednesday, October 10, 2012 - 12:10 am IMO..The Unique is a pretty solid Fed...we are in the process of recruiting..Please be an active player..nothing major in terms of everyday playing, but 1 time a week to check on message and to ensure your country is operating properly. We understand people have lives and jobs.
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| Wednesday, October 10, 2012 - 12:46 am We are located on KB...just in case anyone is still interested...thank you for your time
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| Wednesday, October 10, 2012 - 12:52 am Well Well if it isn't EC! Death to da MOB!!! ha ha ha ha ha How ya doing, old friend?
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| Wednesday, October 10, 2012 - 01:15 am Hi Lorelei! Just stopping by to see how everbody is doing. Anything worth coming back for?
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| Wednesday, October 10, 2012 - 01:38 am Wow.... has it really been 2 years??? Time flies... Crafty must be freakin ancient by now...
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| Wednesday, October 10, 2012 - 01:41 am lol, and heya!
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| Wednesday, October 10, 2012 - 03:30 am Wazzzz uuuup EC! Hope your family is well!
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| Wednesday, October 10, 2012 - 05:57 pm I was freakin ancient 2 years ago border. Hi EC.
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| Wednesday, October 10, 2012 - 08:19 pm Sure is, EC. I threaten to kill people daily. Wanna join me? Josias is in the top 10 of my new list. Only took him 1 minute after my return to the game to make da list again. ha ha ha ha Wouldn't it be fun to nuke him, kill off some of his lil sim peeps? I think so! :P Besides, his real offense is, I dun like his Avatar. It freaks me out! Crafty ain't ancient! He's beyond ancient!!! and has cob webs comin' out his nose and ears. I better be nice...he's already lobbying to get me banned from da forum! Mean ol' man, he is!
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| Wednesday, October 10, 2012 - 09:03 pm tuff tooty
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| Wednesday, October 10, 2012 - 09:33 pm lol
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