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Thursday, October 8, 2009 - 09:12 pm  What are some ideas you have as far as the Player community improving the simcountry gaming experience for newer players and veteran players within the bounds of the game and abilities we have available to us atm? I'm just curious.
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| Thursday, October 8, 2009 - 10:15 pm it would be better if new players could build an empire and see positive results from their efforts rather than either having to build an empire with their plastic or sit and watch grass grow. i don't know what it's like on other worlds but kb is dead, dead ,dead.
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| Thursday, October 8, 2009 - 11:20 pm All of my ideas for what can be done at the moment with what's available to us are being reserved for the Fearless Blue Marine Corps. Love to share them with you... but you're just a civilian! lol HOORAH!!!
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| Thursday, October 8, 2009 - 11:43 pm LoL Solomon
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| Friday, October 9, 2009 - 11:15 am Everything I am coming up with is a game modification requiring GM intervention. I've seen online games with built in 'niceness' incentives. In SC it would be things like a top 100's for: Friendliest Country, Most Aggressive Country, Fastest Growth, Most aid/Most helpful, Most revered, Most Hated... etc. Hey, in the past, it's had me offering disaster relief for no other reason than climbing in the ranks in that ranking system. Maybe there should be a Friends/Enemies list for our countries and then certain things on the list are scored for the community to compete. I have seen the concept work. I imagine a system where there are multiple ranking boards, one for presidents and one for countries one for the military etc.
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| Friday, October 9, 2009 - 11:19 am Try to offer advice to new people. I know its hard to take the time in chat and deal with all the questions. But how are they going to learn the game enough to see that its fun to play. Telling them to go read those outdated game docs will only make them just wanna give up. Also accepting new players into feds can help. It will give them a chance to ask thier fed members for advice. Show them the social side of the game. Help them expand thier empires so that they can grow to become better players.
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| Friday, October 9, 2009 - 03:54 pm It seems to me there's a thousand "glitches" in the game, and experienced player have developed "work arounds" that are usually more laborious than a well developed game should be. I think we should encourage W3C to work on these problems, rather than things such a space stations.
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| Friday, October 9, 2009 - 05:45 pm Here's an incentive for ya: charge less money.
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| Friday, October 9, 2009 - 09:25 pm Easy now. Don't talk bad about the GM on Wendys thread or you'll "get a nuke shoved up your arses".  Honestly other than helping new players. Which I have and continue to do from time to time. Without the GM at least tweaking, or god forbid finishing some existing features. I don't really see any way for the players to make this game any better. We can make suggestions and polls but honestly. Even if they do get accepted it will be years until they are implemented. Not casting any blame. Just saying. 
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| Friday, October 9, 2009 - 10:26 pm I'd love to see some actual Diplomacy Options, as well as more ways to interact with other nations besides just trade and messages. I'd like to see the UN with some teeth. Along with "Peacekeeping forces" that could be Utilized. I'd like an honor system that ranks if a player is Honorable or Less than Honorable. Sadly, the GMs are eternally behind, only partially implement things that haven't been properly tested in a sandbox before being let loose in the live system, so I'd say, get it right first, and then work on "improvements".
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| Saturday, October 10, 2009 - 12:17 am Wendy very specifically asked about what "the Player community" can do, not the GMs. I think it's about respect. I accord it to vets and newbs alike (until someone proves they are not worthy) and everything that goes with it such as advice, courtesy and friendliness. My hope is that, as a result, everyone else enjoys playing the game as much as I do. But we have to remember that this is a power and status game. It's not surprising that it also attracts people who do the opposite, who stomp on, ridicule and disrespect others to make themselves feel bigger. That sort of behaviour is what spoils the game IMHO ... for newbs at least. Other than respect, can other players improve the game for vets? Occasionally a negative n00b turns up and decides to throw a nuke or two at me, or attacks me with his 10 Precision Bombers. That improves the game for me briefly Hugs and respect Jo
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| Saturday, October 10, 2009 - 05:53 am I like how we all have tunnel vision when it comes to the GM. I guess if you feel this powerless to do anything of your own accord, you may as well quit. Should we ask them to log in and manage our empires during inactivity as well. How about paying for next year while we are at it. All these ideas for the GM to consider seem good, and I am sure we can do better. But seriously, the question was what can players do. There is much helping, and credit goes out to those who do help. There is however only a tight few who help publicly and don't save it for feds or CMs. I think Solomon touched on something useful. Awhile back there were a few players who did alot of stat tracking apart from what the game provided. It was fun, and will be missed. Alot of people still ask for those stats to come out. For those who managed to stay on topic thx and please I need more ideers.
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| Saturday, October 10, 2009 - 09:04 am I think the best way to help new people is to offer advice patiently, bid generously on their coins and if they wish to learn the war engine seek out an inactive and help them take it. The best way to improve this experience is to make it fun, its fun to succeed so help a new person succeed in whatever they are trying for. I do miss the stats too, its been forever since i have been listed in them but hopefully someday I'll be up there again.
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| Saturday, October 10, 2009 - 12:09 pm Yeah stats rule!!! If I knew how. I would do them on a monthly basis.
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| Sunday, October 11, 2009 - 05:08 am I would like to see a crime feature added in to the game, and then having to deal with it, such as building enough jails to house criminals.
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| Sunday, October 11, 2009 - 06:19 am I was once known as Crime. It wasn't the brightest point of SC history LOL
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| Monday, October 12, 2009 - 03:42 am yes, rehabilitation does work. lol. Wendy, you're a real pleasure particularly since Ameche left. i dont know what the two of you had going, but you're a different person.congrats.
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| Monday, October 12, 2009 - 03:49 am I always send a message to new players in the neighborhood and tell them how to get me on MSN. If they are friendly and willing to learn I coach them through taking a C3. I feel that helping them be successful at the war game gets them hooked.
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| Monday, October 12, 2009 - 05:36 am Thanks Parsifal, I really miss Ameche, there is a comedic value no longer present in the game. I don't miss the most colorful of his posts. But it kind of made who he was. It was never anything too serious. I am not happy that he quit for good. I'm just glad he credited the game and not me for his departure. I try to keep a better attitude towards players and games. Despite what you all may think, I learned a ton from those experiences. I find the game quite boring without an arch rival. LoL\ I'm sure he is around still but less of a meanie. At least that is what I hear.
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| Wednesday, October 14, 2009 - 10:37 pm Ok... what we can do ourselves... 3rd party websites, AKA fansites. Now what to do with the 3rd party website? It's termed 3rd party obviously because it's not sponsored by Simcountry. We could create our own United Nations and seat a General Assembly. Vote our own Security Council or do it by ranking. Everyone would be allowed a seat in the General Assembly. Create our own documentation and show the Tomster how it's done. We can do these things if we can work together apart from federation teaming. A player initiative? hmm
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| Wednesday, October 14, 2009 - 11:09 pm Can we call it the NLUO?
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| Wednesday, October 14, 2009 - 11:16 pm Now that is an OUSTANDING idea Bc. Thx for this suggestion Solomon.
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| Thursday, October 15, 2009 - 01:53 am Great idea sol!!!
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| Thursday, October 15, 2009 - 10:50 am LOL BC... where is King Hezy these days anyway?
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| Friday, October 16, 2009 - 12:01 pm Ok... so who's the website designer among us?
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| Saturday, October 17, 2009 - 11:23 am Ok... so it's the next day and nobody replied. Is there not ONE? If you are one and you are not interested would you please let us know? I would like to know if it's a lack of interest or a lack of talent. Thanks
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| Saturday, October 17, 2009 - 11:36 am I am just a beginner but I can design a website.
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| Saturday, October 17, 2009 - 12:24 pm "Wonder Twin powers activate!" "Form up an outline" "Form up a flowchart"
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| Saturday, October 17, 2009 - 12:41 pm Who is providing the domain and hosting here, or are we all chipping in?
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| Saturday, October 17, 2009 - 12:55 pm We the people of the CentauDos Galaxy have determined: * to save succeeding generations from the scourge of Little Hitlers, which twice in our game time have brought untold sorrow to sims. * to reaffirm faith in fundamental player respect, in the dignity and worth of the human person, in the equal rights of men and women and sims of countries, empires and federations large and small. * to establish conditions under which justice and respect for the obligations arising from treaties and other sources of interplanetary law can be established apart from W3 Creative. * to promote new player learning progress and better standards of play by providing a knowledge base for new players to draw upon. AND FOR THESE ENDS * to practice tolerance and live together in game with one another as good neighbors. * to unite our strength to maintain fun and community. * to employ a website for the promotion of the enjoyment and social advancement of all people. WE HAVE RESOLVED TO COMBINE OUR EFFORTS TO ACCOMPLISH THESE AIMS Accordingly, our respective Governments, through representatives assembled in the forum of Simcountry, who have exhibited their full powers found to be in good and due form, have agreed to the present Charter of the United Nations and do hereby establish an interplanetary organization to be known as the United Nations.
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| Saturday, October 17, 2009 - 12:56 pm [Signiture] Solomon Grundy
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| Saturday, October 17, 2009 - 01:01 pm I'm good with chipping in. How much is it?
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| Saturday, October 17, 2009 - 01:20 pm $4 a month plus the domain using my connections.
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| Saturday, October 17, 2009 - 01:23 pm That's not bad... can I spring for it with out sharing my credit card #? If you don't like the name, don't like the charter, want something added, whatever it is... SPEAK UP PEOPLE!
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| Saturday, October 17, 2009 - 02:02 pm Well Solomon you got to fork over your P.O. Box address so I can send you my share of the money every month but you have to give up your credit card# to my connection witch is an authorize.net company so no worries there. If your willing to do that then it is possible, if your interested I'll tell you who my connection is. Aloha Juggernaut
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| Saturday, October 17, 2009 - 02:32 pm I consider your part to be coming up with a kick ass site. maybe some graphics where the general assembly is layed out from above and we can click on seats to see who occupies them, find our own. that kind of stuff will take time and work and in reality it's worth more than $4 a month. Your investment is already greater than mine. Send authorize.net info to my main account message unless you have a FB country, then Lake Grundy. Please remember I haven't done this before.
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| Saturday, October 17, 2009 - 02:49 pm which info about authorize.net?
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| Saturday, October 17, 2009 - 04:00 pm So what do I need to do?
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| Sunday, October 18, 2009 - 12:03 am Is it still going to be called the NLUO? My form of support would be to give the general assembly something useful to do. But I won't elaborate from here. We'll have to wait until it is actually created.
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| Sunday, October 18, 2009 - 12:19 am How does this work? we pay 4 bucks per month? Not bad.You should provide a news site so everyone can submit articles. I hate the news bar. I'm in.
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| Sunday, October 18, 2009 - 03:15 am Sounds like a revolution. Can I attack Robocop?
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| Sunday, October 18, 2009 - 04:58 am Sure you can attack Robocop but first we will need some resolutions that we find him in violation of. lol But before that we'll need a system of government. I'm leaning towards the idea of the General Assembly having half the power and the Security council having the other half. What I do not want to see is a straight up democracy. I do not believe it's in any of our interests for players to be able to completely change the organization into a machine for tyranny simply by rallying 51% of the members in order to do it. It's structure and values should be fixed to become the framework through which democracy can operate safely. So, even though we will operate as a democracy in our decision making the organization itself is not subject to radical change by the voting. I think that once we determine what it is that we are creating that we set it up to stay the way we've created it.
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| Sunday, October 18, 2009 - 05:33 am Need ideas! Need ideas! Need ideas people! Thought: Security council made up of the leaders from the top 6 federations in the galaxy the 7th seat being the Chairman who is elected from the General Assembly and has the same authority as the other 6, acting as the executive spokesman for the UN. Voting on the Security Council would be an odd number to avoid deadlock. Help me out here guys, this thing isn't mine.
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| Sunday, October 18, 2009 - 04:07 pm One-world guvmint is from the DEBBIL! lol
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| Sunday, October 18, 2009 - 05:24 pm @ Nix I got dibs on Tommi. LOL @ Juggernaut Thanks for stepping up. I was wrong about you. You can use my name anytime!!! @ Solomon We are already doing much of what is being discussed here, with the security council on WG. Should we include the existing security councils of each planet, into the galactic security council? Or maybe make it a 3rd branch? I think this would help to keep some rotation and fresh perspective in the galactic security council. Also we will need to work out a military branch on each planet, to enforce resolutions. That is all I have at the moment. Come on people!!! Post your thoughts!!! This could seriously add a whole new aspect to this game.
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| Sunday, October 18, 2009 - 08:12 pm I would be more inclined to a 3rd branch if we are to elevate them for their in game accomplishment at all and I'm not convinced that we should. The GM has offered the reward for obtaining that specific council already, the dispersion of economic aid. I would rather see military powerhouses in the UN security council rather than players that simply know how to score well and rating military prowess is not necessarily determined by military size. I'm not so sure we should prepare this thing with teeth either. It might be a better idea to develop that on an 'as needed' basis. There are other options. The UN can sanction the use of force by one or several members with out actually fielding it's own military. Echo:
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| Sunday, October 18, 2009 - 08:54 pm I have a plan, though it involves a favor. A favor from... Nanna Nanna, give MoP a chance to respond and anyone else in a timely manner, after he does will you do us the privilege of writing a UN article that forms the security council and conforms to what all of us are saying? Then we can come to agreement on it or discuss what changes each of us would like to see. I'm thinking another perspective would help and that you'll be able to look at all of our posts and determine what it should look like. So, would ya? huh? would ya? (tugs at Nanna) [ ] Yes [ ] No
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| Monday, October 19, 2009 - 01:52 am The powers on the planetary SC go beyond simply dishing out financial aid. They also have the power to enforce peace treaties and ban nukes. The problem is, the GM never finished the feature. Therefore the resolutions must be enforced by the members of the SC, via boycotts or military intervention. Otherwise they are worthless. This is what we have started to do on WG. Check out the thread "Enforcement of Security Council Resolutions (White Giant)" on the WG board. So if the planetary SCs are left out and operate independently, I see problems arising in the future. I feel that they should at least function as a local government and represent each planet on some level. If it is only the six largest feds that have the power to bring things to the galactic SC, then isn't it just business as usual?
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| Monday, October 19, 2009 - 04:06 am You've sold me on everything but the overwhelming size of the UNSC. It seems each planet has 15 members in it's 'local' security council, times 5, that's 75 seats! How about, for the UNSC we reserve those seats for the #1 player from each world, giving us 5. -BRANCH 1 70 seats for the UN Senate. (the remaining members of each planet's SC #s 2-15) -BRANCH 2 ~Should players that appear on more than one planet's SC control more than one seat of the UN Senate? Or, should those seats go to General Assembly election? (and branch one to Senate elections?) Remaining Simcountry players in the UN General Assembly -BRANCH 3 Hmm, and divide the authority up 3 ways... with 2/3s voting margin in both the UN Senate and General Assembly? -of votes cast rather than two thirds of the seats? Processing...
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| Monday, October 19, 2009 - 05:18 am Thought: The UN Security Council can put forth resolutions and proposals at will by majority vote. The Security Council is to enforce them with the approval of a 51% voting margin in both the Senate and the General Assembly. The senate can put forth proposals like the UN Security Council with a 51% voting margin in the Senate and put forth resolutions with a 66% margin with veto option by the Security Council at 4/5 voting margin. Senate resolutions and proposals are approved and enforced by a 51% margin in the Assembly. The General Assembly can put forth proposals to the UN Security Council with a 75% voting margin in the Assembly with further approval by 51% voting margin in the Senate. The General Assembly can not levy resolutions, though they can be proposed. This gives the Senators a little more power as they can block proposals coming from the General Assembly and keeps the masses from overwhelming the top with the 75% margin.
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| Monday, October 19, 2009 - 01:57 pm Echo:
Don't make me break out a we are the world video! LOL
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| Wednesday, October 21, 2009 - 01:49 am Well, I guess we'll call this one a stillborn. I guess it beats being born a hunched back monstrosity and being forced to live up in the bell tower like the NLUO. lol
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| Wednesday, October 21, 2009 - 08:49 pm /me plays taps.
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| Saturday, October 24, 2009 - 01:27 am Sorry, I've been busy. . . I'm here now. . . I really shouldn't write or be a part of any of this, Id like to to see any ideas come to fruition apart from my own doing. I just wanted to get the ball rolling on something. I'm gonna step back from this, I am finding myself preoccupied, but I vow to periodically terrorize you guys from time to time.
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| Saturday, October 24, 2009 - 01:34 am . . . second thought, ALL THE TIME
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| Saturday, October 24, 2009 - 06:10 am LMAO
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