| Pope Samicus IX (Little Upsilon) | Sunday, April 12, 2009 - 07:57 pm 
My questions are about debt and how it relates to the lowering of game cash and prices across the board.
1.A circumstance of massive empire wide debt. The empire I speak of is on KB and is 186T in debt at the moment. How can this debt be repaid? Its not possible. In such circumstances shouldn't the President be forced in recievership? His offensive and strategic weapons sold and economy forced back into profitability?
2. Considering the amount of debt why is the empire in question allowed to take new C3s and fight an offensive war of any kind. It serves no purpose other than to increase debt across the board.
3. I propose a two part solution....The President is advised of a debt ceiling. Once it is reached they can choose to enter structured bankruptcy which includes the sale of offensive and strategic weapons and economic changes...Or they can be derregged once debt reaches an empire wide ceiling.
I welcome your input and thank you for your time. |
| Blue Serpent (Little Upsilon) | Sunday, April 12, 2009 - 09:20 pm
Not sure how accurate and upto date the info is,but.....
134. Bankruptcy Rules [ top ]
New member countries are bankrupted when their debt is at 30 T for empire members and 60 T for empire leaders. In practice, new members are never bankrupted. It is hard to create such debt within the initial playing period.
Full member countries, that are non-leader part of an empire, are bankrupted if net cash (cash less debt) is -50T or worse. Messages are shown on login when the total goes under -30 T. Warnings will keep coming up to 5 times, one message following each login.
Messages are sent to the empire leader, each game month, when the total goes under -30 T. If no action is taken to correct the situation, the country will bankrupt.
Full member leader countries, are bankrupted if net cash is -100T or worse Messages are shown on login when the total goes under -60 T.
Messages are sent to the empire leader, each game month, when the total goes under -60 T. If no action is taken to correct the situation, the country will bankrupt.
All countries bankrupt without further notice if net cash (cash less loans) is under -140 T.
When a country is bankrupted all its loans and cash are transferred to the empire leader. |
| Pope Samicus IX (Kebir Blue) | Monday, April 13, 2009 - 12:42 am
The levels are too high and no provisions to prevent offensive war are in place. ..Its only fair to the rest of us that this be done.
The empire in question has 22 C3s and a main...
So if each C3 has 50T in debt and the main has 100T....
Thats an upper level of 1.2 quadrillion total debt?
How is that helping anyone. |
| nix001 (Kebir Blue) | Monday, April 13, 2009 - 12:51 am
You wont be saying this when you get attacked by a group of fraggles Pope and all you can do is either get into debt or die. |
| Pope Samicus IX (Kebir Blue) | Monday, April 13, 2009 - 03:23 am
No silly Nix. All anyone has to do is raze you to the ground and end the war. You keep all the debt.
However its not sporting to expect others to share your debt.
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| nix001 (Kebir Blue) | Monday, April 13, 2009 - 03:30 am
They are trying 
I dont call 4 v's 1 very sporting either. |
| Stuart Taylor (Little Upsilon) | Monday, April 13, 2009 - 03:45 am
Please Nix, speak english - i dont speak retard..... |
| jason (Kebir Blue) | Monday, April 13, 2009 - 05:47 am
nix your at -173T right now and that's with rounding down. :P |
| Stuart Taylor (Little Upsilon) | Monday, April 13, 2009 - 06:20 am
LMFAO Jason.
Nix, your a very generous asshat! |
| nix001 (Kebir Blue) | Monday, April 13, 2009 - 03:44 pm
Once Mother Natures Army has completed it's mission, I will turn my attentions to you Stuie. |
| Pope Samicus IX (Kebir Blue) | Monday, April 13, 2009 - 11:43 pm
Silence asshat.
Back to the question at hand.
We need a cap for empire debt to remove the halfwits who cannot create a balanced economy.
23 countries+186T in debt= EPIC FAIL.
When do we pull the trigger on this W3C? |
| nix001 (Kebir Blue) | Monday, April 13, 2009 - 11:57 pm
FU. My Economy was turning a nice profit before I got set upon by 4 players.
Keep walking Pope.
Infact........Part of their War plan was for me to go into debt. I can't wait to see what you do when you get attacked. |
| Pope Samicus IX (Kebir Blue) | Tuesday, April 14, 2009 - 12:08 am
Lies!
You sully this thread with a shabbily created pyramid of lies and FAIL.
What will I do when attacked? Meh its your old country I took from you...Knock yourself out. |
| nix001 (Kebir Blue) | Tuesday, April 14, 2009 - 12:12 am
As this thread is about me I will post on it.
You really have no idea whats going on do you.
Listen Pope. If you want to fight me you know where I am. I'm not interested in smart mouthed doods. Sticks and Stones might break my bones but words will never hurt me. |
| General Bobo (Fearless Blue) | Tuesday, April 14, 2009 - 05:27 am
Nix stop smoking that crack pipe..YOUR COUNTRIES WERE NEVER EVER MAKING MONEY...get over yourself...
you have accumulated over 350T debt in two worlds and still have done no damage to anyone..stfu already you little worthless sack of shit
clean up your flippin debt and ill personally remove you from FB...CLEAN YOUR DEBT YOU WORTHLESS SACK FO SHIT
Popes first post is intended to help you..SO LISTEN and stop bitching |
| Sir SmokesAlot (White Giant) | Tuesday, April 14, 2009 - 05:36 am
just stay off the forums nix its not helping u. The more you talk the more of them fight u. Can't you see by talking on the forums only digs u in deeper. |
| General Bobo (Little Upsilon) | Tuesday, April 14, 2009 - 06:08 am
listen to smokes, nix.. |
| Pathetic Sheep (Little Upsilon) | Tuesday, April 14, 2009 - 06:52 am
This should not be about one player. The games rules should be established so that we can make strategic decisions. Any strategy that works is good strategy and therefore good gaming. Cheating includes things like setting up multiple accounts. Using debt or firing a nuclear missile is not cheating. It is normal for people on the receiving end of good strategy to be irate and/or frustrated.
This is in the war section of the documentation:
"77. Financial consequences of winning a war [ top ]
If the country that has lost the war had net cash, the net cash remains in the country and the winner receives the country with all the cash it has.
If the country that has lost the war had net debt (net cash < 0), the winning country does not inherit that debt. Instead, the debt is transferred to the main country in the empire of the country that has lost the war.
The reason for this choice is that some empires had countries make large profits at the expense of another country in the empire pushing it into very high debt and then had that country be conquered by a temporarily created second account to get rid of the debt. Now, debt remains in the empire and presidents must take care of all their countries."
The way I read that you should be able to destroy all of Nix's countries and stick him with all the debt. Of course the guide has been wrong before. The post from Blue Serpent quotes the game news from February 2008. I'm quoting chapter 5 of the current documentation.
In a recent Simcountry chat someone claimed you get up to $10T of debt from a conquered country. I forgot source and have no evidence.
If someone would take one of the 22 countries and clear things up that would be appreciated. Please record all your debts and the target empire's debts before finishing the war. Thanx. |
| jason (Little Upsilon) | Tuesday, April 14, 2009 - 08:00 am
I know it as you both get half of the debt. |
| Zdeněk Pavlovský (Fearless Blue) | Tuesday, April 14, 2009 - 08:56 am
no war is waged for no gain.
waging wars for "ideological" reasons is reserved for the insane - irrational, who are without a doubt in tiny minority.
leaving real world parallels aside, personally i dunno any game, online or otherwise, where winning a war would result in loss. i guess its because if it was like that, it would discourage waging them, which is not what players generally want.
also i dunno any game, online or otherwise, where an ant could significantly damage an elephant. i guess its because if it was like that, those who put in effort, time, skill or in this game money into becoming elephants would get pissed by ants who put in fraction of the mentioned, which is yet again not what players generally want.
i could continue but since its of no use and Freud was satisfied, i will leave it at this. |
| Pathetic Sheep (Little Upsilon) | Tuesday, April 14, 2009 - 01:23 pm
It's funny you use the example of ants and elephants. Real world elephants are consumed by swarms of ants. Waking up with four pounds of ants would be much more alarming than waking up with a four pound elephant.
A game where success was guaranteed would not be much fun. A war game that takes months to set up and then doesn't have a way of fighting back would also be lame.
In Simcountry you can often capture most of your opponents defense. So splitting the debt would leave you ahead in many cases.
If you read the forum you find lots of people willing to wage wars for ideology. |
| nix001 | Tuesday, April 14, 2009 - 03:40 pm
Jason. Explain to Booboo what state my countries were in before you lot attacked me.
Booboo. If you had'nt have gone into war protection I would have mashed you up. I also have Crafty on the ropes. Unfortunatly he's sent me a message saying that his computer keeps going off and he can't fight 
Sir Smokes. Thanks for the advise. But I'm here to fight.
Booboo. Grow up and get over it.
Hi PS and Zde. |
| Pope Samicus IX (Little Upsilon) | Tuesday, April 14, 2009 - 04:20 pm
I captured 5 or 6 Nix countries with a total of -22T in debt. After dumping them I was left with 11T in debt which I repayed.
If you fight a war and take the country you will assume 50 percent of the debt.
Nix you were in debt before you started acting out on the forums. Perhaps the whole situation was created so you could escape your mounting debt from your poor economic skills. |
| nix001 (Kebir Blue) | Tuesday, April 14, 2009 - 04:40 pm
Pope? Is that you Sam AKA Johana?
You wish. Your as bad as Booboo. My empire on KB almost paid the monthly fee for 3 worlds and 2 enterprises. It was also in a position to advance to level 7 once I had increased the defense level. My LU/WG and GR countries paid for the other 2 worlds and my other enterprise.
Nix on KB = Swag. Thats what you said. Not my fault you could'nt take it before it went into debt. Please, grow some balls and stop doing a Booboo. |
| Pope Samicus IX (Kebir Blue) | Tuesday, April 14, 2009 - 04:45 pm
Lies!
You were already 20T in debt with a level 1 C3 empire.
Your economy sucks.
Your defenses suck.
Your wars of agression are FAIL.
I seriously doubt you could fight your way out of a wet paper bag you silly wanker.
Surrender now or be bankrupted. The choice is yours. |
| nix001 (Kebir Blue) | Tuesday, April 14, 2009 - 04:51 pm
Holy McNoly. Don't push me otherwise I will carry on the fight with Crafty and not give him a chance to get another connection sorted out. Level 1 for sure but no debt. Why? All Defence had been disabled so as to make money. Hence why you 4 just walked all over me.
What is it with you and Booboo? |
| Zdeněk Pavlovský | Tuesday, April 14, 2009 - 04:59 pm
Yes I read forums so I have some idea.
So tell me about games where wars are waged for ideology? Where wars don't gain virtual ranks, lands, or resources? I really dunno any where players would fight only for sake of fighting.
Sure, they might be fighting here, but maybe thats part of the problem of this game - not being competitive. |
| General Bobo (Fearless Blue) | Tuesday, April 14, 2009 - 05:10 pm
Nix, you cry baby...
im well over the fact that you cant do anything right...all those decs and you got nothing to show.
YOUR EMPIRE WAS NEVER MAKING MONEY
nix your worthless, find a new hobby |
| nix001 (Kebir Blue) | Tuesday, April 14, 2009 - 05:28 pm
Which empire? If your talking about the one on FB then sure. It was making a small loss due to it coming out of code red. So what? It was loaded with weapons. If it had time, 3 RL months down the road it would have gone back into the green. If anyones crying it's you. Get over it.
Like I said, if you had'nt have gone into WP this would have all been sorted out by now. The proof would had been in the eating. Instead you pussied out and now your trying to save face. Lame. |
| General Bobo (White Giant) | Tuesday, April 14, 2009 - 08:44 pm
lol....YOU WERENT MAKING MONEY ANYWHERE ANYWHERE ANYWHERE
like i said up top, prep your jeeps for war..decs will be sent at any time..sleep tight nixxy poo
wahwahwahwahwah, my name is nix |
| Pathetic Sheep (Little Upsilon) | Wednesday, April 15, 2009 - 05:50 am
sim chat was right. :P
Financial Index 3.65 Click to see history
Cash Available 14,443.00B SC$ Click to see history
Debt including inherited loans from closed Corporations -24,443.00B
XK (the empire leader) did not pick up 14T yet. |
| jason (Little Upsilon) | Wednesday, April 15, 2009 - 08:23 am
"sleep tight nixxy poo " lmfao!!!!! |
