| Kevin Henry (Little Upsilon) | Sunday, March 1, 2009 - 03:36 pm 
I am out of the loop.
Can someone tell me at what point, does money in corporations (within an enterprise) automatically transfer to the enterprise?
(It use to be well over 100B, but now it's much less.)
Thanks! |
| Orbiter (Little Upsilon) | Sunday, March 1, 2009 - 04:00 pm
yep, i think they did |
| AlexandeRtheGreaT007 (Golden Rainbow) | Sunday, March 1, 2009 - 04:25 pm
I believe it is now around 50B. That is the cap on how much you can transfer in.
ATG |
| Kevin Henry (Little Upsilon) | Sunday, March 1, 2009 - 04:37 pm
Hmmm, that makes sense...thanks ATG. |
| Tendo Ryu (Golden Rainbow) | Sunday, March 1, 2009 - 06:10 pm
i think the auto transfer point is about 80B, as i have had 79B is several ceo corps, however it's been a while since i see more than that in a ceo corp. |
| Zdeněk Pavlovský (Fearless Blue) | Sunday, March 1, 2009 - 10:25 pm
the "game" left me, my corps, recently with as low as 20B in cash in a corp while transferring trillions to CEO. sure, i was online so i transfered it right back, but what is the point of auto-transferring out +5T then transferring it back -5T is beyond me.
if it was to continue i was gonna email GM coz this cannot be a feature but a bug is what i thought. |
| Kevin Henry (Little Upsilon) | Sunday, March 1, 2009 - 10:32 pm
It is a feature. It should not matter in the long run if deflation continues. (ie. 50T will be the new 100T...) |
| Lolosaurus (White Giant) | Sunday, March 1, 2009 - 11:54 pm
I feel that the new threshold for closing corps due to debt is too low.
One of my corps had 13B in cash and only 60B in debt and it was "at risk of closure because debt is too high."
Bullshit~
At least let me take some damn loans to get through hard times instead of just automatically collapsing. |
| Johanas Bilderburg (Little Upsilon) | Monday, March 2, 2009 - 12:05 am
Sir Micheal must be feeling the pain right now....
 |
| Sir Michael (Little Upsilon) | Monday, March 2, 2009 - 02:46 am
Yes,
But no use complaining. |
| Orbiter (Little Upsilon) | Monday, March 2, 2009 - 04:42 am
it seems all my corps are auto transferring down 2 less than 50b, most seem to be under 40, honestly this is a change that is good for me, it will save me allot of time from flushing the money. its just disappointing to get hit with ff, when all i needed was a warning that it was going to happen... and even then, its disappointing that W3C would make a change, not give a pre-warning, or even say that they did it afterward, this is frustrating,
but your right, there is no use in complaining. |
| Sir Michael (Little Upsilon) | Monday, March 2, 2009 - 09:00 am
Transferred 10.51T SC$ to 1009 corporations.
For some corporations it was not necessary to increase their (net) cash above 45.00B SC$ |
| Zdeněk Pavlovský (Fearless Blue) | Monday, March 2, 2009 - 10:32 am
there is a difference between complaining and addressing a bug or bad game design.
"I" didnt oder "my" corps to transfer anything, less so in situation which can force them to take loans, and that is the point no matter what anyone thinks about it.
why not to auto-transfer when theres more than 10B cash in corps right?
realism FTW! |
| Zdeněk Pavlovský (Fearless Blue) | Monday, March 2, 2009 - 10:47 am
ok .. i take that back
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go to "Finance"
Cash Transfers To and From Corporations 4,660.00B SC$
go to "Profit, Cash and Debt in your Corporations"
.
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Milones Electric Power 0.25B SC$ image 19.40B SC$
.
.
go to "Raise Cash Level for all Corporations to"
type in 50000
"Transferred 1.34T SC$ to 96 corporations.
For some corporations it was not necessary to increase their (net) cash above 45.00B SC$."
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Our millennium triple contest: economic genius, skilled marketing representative and frequent zero typer has a winner!
Congratulations! |
| AlexandeRtheGreaT007 (Golden Rainbow) | Monday, March 2, 2009 - 12:22 pm
I also noticed this morning when I logged on that the cash limit is $45b.
Umm, could we at least get a set of rules each time they are changed? I think that is how games are played - everyone knows the rules and agrees to them?
ATG |
| FarmerBob (Little Upsilon) | Monday, March 2, 2009 - 02:02 pm
What I find curious is that automatic transfers are no longer showing up on the cash ledger for each corporation. Therefore, I have absolutely NO idea how much each corp is transferring out or whether any cash is being "lost" in the process.
Furthermore, my mature, stable CEO which routinely produced cash levels above the cap on a daily basis, now requires cash injections in nearly all corps.
Are our corporations now set to self destruct automatically, transferring out cash at a non- sustainable rate?
I will let things ride for the time being, but if I see a single corp taking out loans that never needed them before, I will be declaring war on W3C, SimCountry, and its players before and after departing the game.
This latest change has obviously gone beyond previous reductions to the cash limit; it's effects are far more insidious and underhanded.
Be warned, Williard. |
| AlexandeRtheGreaT007 (Little Upsilon) | Monday, March 2, 2009 - 05:53 pm
My corps are taking on loans like crazy!!!
At this rate 10% of my corps are going to close due to debt. I am not clear on why the corps can not ask for cash from the CEO first and then get a loan if none is available from the CEO. My CEO has tons of cash because of the auto transfers from other companies and that would make the most sense don't you think?
Tom, are you trying to make companies fail? I did read that you were going to make it tougher to IPO but what is the future of Corps in general? I am not clear on what you are doing here. Please expound and include us in your thought process. We really have no idea what your goal is and it is killing our companies. If we do not know your game rules we have no idea how to play and have fun at it. Right now it is frustrating and time consuming dealing with loan grabbing companies.
ATG |
| Zdeněk Pavlovský (Fearless Blue) | Monday, March 2, 2009 - 06:23 pm
simple "fix"
since corps auto-transfer OUT, let them, through options in CEO/country setting, auto-transfer IN.
problem solved, no need to call Houston. flight to Mars is different direction.
or better yet, DO NOT auto-transfer OUT anything? or let those who own corps set threshold by themselves? how about that since its "our" corps?
oh .. that would interfere with some master plan? is it a james bond thing? top secret NASA project? area 45?
forgive me my ignorance then. |
| Tom Willard (White Giant) | Monday, March 2, 2009 - 11:19 pm
Cororations with debt can have more cash. It is 45B + the amount of debt.
Also, it is very easy, to provide cash to all your corporations in one single action.
the transfer is in one go, from the enterprise to all the corporations. |
| Jack Frost (Little Upsilon) | Monday, March 2, 2009 - 11:24 pm
yes tom I transfer in 1.5T with 200 corps and then the month resets and I can transfer in another 500B. The Point is that with the automatic cash transfers we CANNOT keep money in our corporations.
With Regards,
Dragoon |
| AlexandeRtheGreaT007 (Little Upsilon) | Monday, March 2, 2009 - 11:41 pm
thank you kieth,
tom seems to not understand that we have lives |
| Sir Michael (Little Upsilon) | Monday, March 2, 2009 - 11:50 pm
Yes, Thanks Keith.
I took the weekend off, and when I came back I had to close all the aircraft fuel corps and transfer 10.5T into 1009 out of 1408 corps that I have never had to put money into. EVER! |
| Zdeněk Pavlovský (Fearless Blue) | Monday, March 2, 2009 - 11:50 pm
I do not want to argue, I really do not, and I can not believe I have to go through this as the issues at hand are clear, however:
1. one single action every game month results in many actions for real day, week, month
2. if corporation or corporations have more than 45B in loans then one single action becomes several actions, paying of loans, then go to #1
3. except for doing single or several actions, and perhaps fees from taking and paying off loans, it is irrelevant to everyone, players and game owners, what the levels of cash in corporations are. if it's not irrelevant, if it has some far reaching or game breaking consequences, perhaps someone can enlighten me, because i cannot see them. i will listen.
4. as Upgrades for example were automated in past, so could be cash levels in corporations. see #1, #2, #3
5. if formula for Market Value is set up or balanced in certain way then corporation owners would make sure there are no excessively high levels of cash in their corporations simply because corporations with lots of cash, "fat" targets, would become attractive for (hostile) bidders, or because losing such corporation in a disaster for example would result in unnecessary loss of assets. this principle, evaluating risks and benefits, is not in conflict with anything "realistic", but rather the opposite.
6. as of now, if one fails to log in and execute "single action" for few days for example, one is at risk of losing corporation/s, especially if theres supply spike and low prices for product produced and high demand with high prices for products consumed. why should that be? what sense does it make for a corporation to close down if owner has so much cash that s/he being charged fees for having the cash?
i could probably go on but its too long already and i would only be reinforcing simple principle with other possible situations which are not beneficial to us, players, corporation owners.
still, if im wrong, which is possible, i would like to understand what is the problem, game mechanics wise, with either:
a) higher cash levels
b) auto-transfer "in" or auto-keeping of cash levels for corporations
c) lowering auto-transfers "out" from corporations
sure, if one is in army and an officer says "paint the grass green!", one will paint the grass green, however, i believe if one knows WHY one can accept the inevitable easier.
edit: while i was typing others have pointed out the .. obvious. |
| quaxocal (Golden Rainbow) | Monday, March 2, 2009 - 11:51 pm
Check your finance statements.
I'm not witnessing this myself in my CEOs at all.
I'm not seeing any automatic cash transfering being done, EXCEPT for a one-time reduction across the board about 2 days ago, of about 20 Billion per corporation. This seemed to occur at the same time as the new $45 Billion limit.
I would advise those having the problem, to double-check everything with their corps, to better pinpoint the problem.
Profit transfer, whether the corps are profitable or not, etc. Check the finance statements. |
| Zdeněk Pavlovský (Fearless Blue) | Monday, March 2, 2009 - 11:56 pm
happened to me several times quaxocal already. checked it, but will check it again. as i said in my first post here originally i thought i was crazy or it was a bug. |
| quaxocal (Golden Rainbow) | Tuesday, March 3, 2009 - 12:22 am
Seems as though the automatic transfer kicks in above about 50B? |
| FarmerBob (Little Upsilon) | Tuesday, March 3, 2009 - 01:51 pm
Nope. Tracking the graphs, at 45 bil for privates, 20 bil is transferred automatically. I am seeing it across the board. |
| Tom Willard (Little Upsilon) | Tuesday, March 3, 2009 - 09:49 pm
This is now correctex:
the max level is 60B.
avove this level, 5B will be moved out. |
| Jack Frost (Kebir Blue) | Tuesday, March 3, 2009 - 09:55 pm
It works. Next question can we get it so that Profit Transfer works again?
With Regards,
Dragoon |
