| quaxocal (Golden Rainbow) | Thursday, January 22, 2009 - 08:08 pm 
Another stealth change from W3C. Enjoy.
Q |
| quaxocal (Golden Rainbow) | Thursday, January 22, 2009 - 08:13 pm
Ah crap, how did it post twice? lol
Laguna (or whoever), I have no idea how that happened. Please delete the other one.
Q |
| ShcyzMattiCa (Golden Rainbow) | Thursday, January 22, 2009 - 08:17 pm
Q, I hope you don't find this offensive. Gripes should be worded more softly, especially if you want the handlers of the game to address it. Attitude is everything.
I'm not starting another fight with you, I think you are an ok guy. But I just don't want to see you say something the wrong way. |
| coolwind (Golden Rainbow) | Thursday, January 22, 2009 - 08:23 pm
just saw that when I went to add some cash to get assets above 100B in some corps |
| quaxocal (Golden Rainbow) | Thursday, January 22, 2009 - 08:28 pm
Well, there's nothing to handle here, nothing to address.
Its a matter of letting everyone be aware of the change.
This change was made to further reduce cash.
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| Treasurer (White Giant) | Thursday, January 22, 2009 - 10:17 pm
"Say something the wrong way"---"Attitude is everything"...
Are you high? People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. |
| Lolosaurus (Little Upsilon) | Thursday, January 22, 2009 - 10:52 pm
this is going to make IPOs harder... |
| Zentrino (Little Upsilon) | Friday, January 23, 2009 - 06:17 am
I thought that was a change. I thought I was going crazy when I tried to do 75B and it would not let me. Thanks for clearing it up.  |
| FarmerBob (Little Upsilon) | Friday, January 23, 2009 - 05:36 pm
So new IPO's have been shut down, essentially.
Are we to mass order materials to get assets above 100mil? Auto profit transfer kills the ability to accumulate the required cash in state corps.
sigh.
I have never seen an organization so determined to piss off its customers. |
| Stuart Taylor (Little Upsilon) | Friday, January 23, 2009 - 05:54 pm
Quote:ShcyzMattiCa (Golden Rainbow)
Thursday, January 22, 2009 - 08:17 pm
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Q, I hope you don't find this offensive. Gripes should be worded more softly, especially if you want the handlers of the game to address it. Attitude is everything.
I'm not starting another fight with you, I think you are an ok guy. But I just don't want to see you say something the wrong way.
Q, you know how I hate to agree with Wendy - but she has a point dude..... |
| FarmerBob (Little Upsilon) | Friday, January 23, 2009 - 06:31 pm
Who cares, Stuart? Limits to game changes at a sensible pace is hardly an unreasonable request.
Required Asset Value for IPO's should have been simultaneously reduced. Unless, the share market is now evil as well.
Unannounced major game changes have been a long player complaint.
Do you want to manually order supplies for your corporations just to get them to IPO? I don't. |
| Warren Buffett (Little Upsilon) | Friday, January 23, 2009 - 07:16 pm
This is starting to get ridiculous, I cant even IPO my corporations no more via adding cash to the corporations. If anyone know a way around that, it would be appreciated. |
| FarmerBob (Little Upsilon) | Friday, January 23, 2009 - 07:18 pm
Looks like stockpiling supplies will have to do, Warren. |
| quaxocal (Golden Rainbow) | Friday, January 23, 2009 - 08:46 pm
Massively stockpiling supplies, you mean. And for some corporations, it STILL won't work!
Stuart, read my 2nd post in this thread.
I'm not asking for any situations to be resolved. I'm merely pointing out an "unannounced" game change. There's nothing here I need handled at all.
This is something which we have to suck up and adjust to.
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| cje (Golden Rainbow) | Saturday, January 24, 2009 - 03:50 pm
looks like it's dropped again - now you can't raise above 50.00B SC$ |
| WildEyes (Little Upsilon) | Saturday, January 24, 2009 - 03:56 pm
So it has.
This is indeed disconcerting. These changes ought to at least be made mention of so that players can keep track of what is new... Stealth changes further outdate the documentation, but moreover undermine the knowledge of the player base which is instrumental in getting new players set up and standing on both feet.
Finally, I really think W3 needs to change the parameters of IPOing, and list what they have changed to.
I have state corps I need to take public and turn into CCPCs, dagnabbit!
EDIT: I just emailed W3, although I'm sure some others probably have as well.
Here's to hoping for a timely reply |
| Warren Buffett (Little Upsilon) | Saturday, January 24, 2009 - 04:37 pm
Stockpiling supplies will add so much unneccesary time just to IPO one corporation. Changes have to be made. |
| Messiah (Little Upsilon) | Saturday, January 24, 2009 - 05:24 pm
Its now 50B |
| Aleksander (Little Upsilon) | Saturday, January 24, 2009 - 05:25 pm
I think that the new max cash today is 50B.
Here is the work around that I have started. I started a 2nd CEO that can bid on the corps, allow the cash to build up, then IPO to main CEO. |
| Zentrino (Little Upsilon) | Saturday, January 24, 2009 - 07:58 pm
It just changed to 60B and it is already changing again to 50B? How low is going to go? |
| Treasurer (White Giant) | Saturday, January 24, 2009 - 11:22 pm
well there goes the public share market. HEHE |
| Sir Michael (Little Upsilon) | Sunday, January 25, 2009 - 03:44 am
I'm to understand that they want to reduce the amount of cash you can "build up". It will (or has already started to) be lowered from the current 200B.
The following is for those who missed the last chat with Jozi regarding game cash.
[Jozi] "some is hidden in corporations for now but the idea is that it will continue to go down". |
| Slare | Sunday, January 25, 2009 - 06:31 am
Lowering max cash in a corp is one thing. They didn't need to make it even harder to IPO a corp tho. It'd be nice if they lowered the IPO thresholds to go along with this change. |
| Pathetic Sheep (White Giant) | Sunday, January 25, 2009 - 06:47 am
I got the cash in a plutonium corporation over 100B buy first raising the cash to 50 and then buying the stored plutonium. Of course that wouldn't help with IPOs but it can be done.
You can boost the stockpiles of all your corps at once. There is no reason to do it one at a time. |
| Keith Allaire (Little Upsilon) | Sunday, January 25, 2009 - 08:20 am
Hey, now there's an idea. Turn off auto offer product, let a few months' stockpile build up. Should be able to accumulate 30-40T this way in product fairly easily for an upgraded corp.
Inject cash to 50B. Sell product to your CEO (so the CEO can turn around and sell it on the market without having Q diluted by 100Q country supplies).
50B cash+30B plus turnover stored for a single month+20B corp supplies=IPO.
And it's somewhat easier than having to manually finangle with a corp's supply levels to get the required cash in. Requires more patience for MV, though. |
| quaxocal (Golden Rainbow) | Sunday, January 25, 2009 - 09:46 am
Keith, problem is you have to make sure your P/E is good and that you still turn a profit for the year.
But sounds like it could work.
Otherwise, IPOing for most corporations is now IMPOSSIBLE even with 60 month supplies.
I hope many more people will email them protesting this stealth change. This 50B (and dropping) is ridiculous. Combined with the sales strategy problem, are they just TRYING to make sure NO ONE is able to turn a profit in this game?
Q |
| William Miller (White Giant) | Sunday, January 25, 2009 - 07:00 pm
I'm ok with 50B, however it should have been announced. If it drops further, that will be a problem since it might cause the corps to receive loans whenever supplies are purchased. Already, I see more activity in the loan market. That's why I had that much cash in my corps to begin with, to prevent debt. |
| Sir Michael (Little Upsilon) | Monday, January 26, 2009 - 07:20 pm
How about this,
I bid on corps for more money than I had and my enterprise went into debt.
200B @ 30% for 36 months.
I reduced the cash in my corps to put money back in the till and the game automatically paid back the loans after only a few game months. Hmm
So I took out loans with one of my state corps for 400B. Again 400B @ 30% for 36 months and after two months the game automatically started to pay back the loans each month.
I usually don't ever need loans, but since the ability to generate game cash has been reduced I am starting to see it happen. Does the game dictate when loans are paid back? |
| Phatz (White Giant) | Monday, January 26, 2009 - 09:39 pm
Another twist to the 50B cap on corp cash.
While loading a Strat corp up with plutonium it went into debt before I transferred cash into it to cover the purchase. It took out a 50B loan which will cost 50.75B to pay off, so it will be forced to carry the loan to full term.
Adjusting the "profit transfer" to build up cash will not work with corps that sell 1 unit a year. |
