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Monday, January 12, 2009 - 11:30 am  Let them out of Gaza. Enough is enough.
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| Monday, January 12, 2009 - 11:44 am I agree. Your winning like 700 to 13. thats in deaths too. not counting mamed and burnt and dismembered or disemboweled or disenfranchised.
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| Monday, January 12, 2009 - 01:39 pm Israel defenestrates children as national policy. But luckily most Palestinians live in bungalows.
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| Monday, January 12, 2009 - 03:19 pm I don't know that Israel visits these message boards.
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| Monday, January 12, 2009 - 06:16 pm Pooh. Why did you say your winning? How do you know BorderC? King. Thy shall not kill. I know I'm missing the deeper thought to that one. Maybe that's just it. Religion is a thought and if pure, all around will follow. Creating a place of peace. NO FORCE WOULD BE NEEDED Each time I read it, it means something different. What you trying to say King?
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| Monday, January 12, 2009 - 06:20 pm I have never been able to figure out the scripure "When you see the abomination of desolation then stand in the holy place..." What is that referring to? Also, BorderC, I was thinking the same thing but didn't know how to word it. I agree that the IDF or anyone else in charge of the bombings are aware of this forum.
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| Monday, January 12, 2009 - 06:27 pm TP. Words make the world go around.
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| Monday, January 12, 2009 - 07:42 pm Well just consider them belated aborted and no left wing mouthpiece should have a single complaint...
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| Monday, January 12, 2009 - 11:44 pm lol
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| Tuesday, January 13, 2009 - 02:04 am Uh oh, we have a reference to Revelations. Is this related to Dec 21, 2012, also?
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| Tuesday, January 13, 2009 - 01:28 pm "Pooh. Why did you say your winning? " The title of your post Directed it directly at Israel. So was mine. You- "Israel, STOP KILLING THE CHILDREN! Let them out of Gaza. Enough is enough." Me- " I agree. Your winning like 700 to 13. thats in deaths too. not counting mamed and burnt and dismembered or disemboweled or disenfranchised."
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| Tuesday, January 13, 2009 - 02:33 pm Oh yea. Sorry mate. I guess with all the flack I've been getting from others(being called hitler ect)I thought that was a dig at me  Anyway. I just don't understand why they don't let the Women and children out. How hard could it be? All they have to do is open one crossing. They could even make a rule. One Woman and 11 Children. Then there wouldnt be any threat from suicide bombers to their Troops at the crossing. I just don't get it. In any other conflict in the world, the Women and Children can run for the Hills. Is this not the same as the Nazis Did? Put every in a closed off area and then killed them. Men, Women and Children alike. Maybe the way the Germans dealt with that age old problem of dealing with a people you don't get on with (Jews/Gays/Gypsies) by killing them all, has become a rule of thought by the Zionists. If so, we are watching what has never been seen before. A full blown Holocaust. But not like the one in Germany which was set up to irradicate a people there and then. This Holocaust is set up to destroy a people over the course of a generation. This is why the Zionists have sent their Army into battle with weapons ranging from the ones that will kill/injure and traumatise the children now. To weapons that will kill/injure them in years to come. Traumatizing any Children that survive for the rest of their lives with injuries and shell shock so they won't beable to function as adults. Poisoning them for the rest of their lives with Phosphurus and Depleated Urainium so they might die when they become adults. If they did'nt want to comit a Holocaust and destroy the children, why did'nt the Zionists let them out?
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| Tuesday, January 13, 2009 - 03:07 pm Most of the men are innocent too. Practically all of them, I bet.
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| Tuesday, January 13, 2009 - 03:17 pm Hi Almohad.  No man is innocent in times of war. For all men are soldiers when the time comes.
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| Tuesday, January 13, 2009 - 03:44 pm If they are commiting a Holocaust they are doing a very crappy job of it.
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| Tuesday, January 13, 2009 - 03:45 pm Actually, its 700 to about 2013. Once the Israelis catch up, then they are allowed to quit. How does that sound?
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| Tuesday, January 13, 2009 - 07:24 pm JB. Like I said. Over time the death toll will be 10's of thousands due to the illegal weapons they are using. Plus 10's of thousands of kids growing up with shell shock. If the world was'nt watching??????????????? So. No one can come up with a good reason for why they won't let the children out?
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| Tuesday, January 13, 2009 - 09:04 pm The children have been watching Jihad Mickey Mouse. They probably have little bomb vests ready made in extra small.
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| Tuesday, January 13, 2009 - 10:29 pm I can see most of you nodding your heads saying, "Yea thats probably right" All the soldiers would have to do is sit in their tanks as the kids walked on by into the arms of family members and carers from the West Bank.
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| Tuesday, January 13, 2009 - 11:00 pm Arch- I'll add in the deaths of the Lebanese in the last war to that of the gaza excursion. not to mention- 1 badly burned CHILD is Worse than most other injuries. I'm not really picking sides. I just believe that war is a bit....um.....Juvinile...yes Juvinile and unneeded. Poobah
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| Tuesday, January 13, 2009 - 11:03 pm Also, ask yourselves, what would Jesus tell you to do? someone say something like....Turn the other Cheek?
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| Tuesday, January 13, 2009 - 11:34 pm and If the Bible or any religious texts, it preaches the best practiced behaviour. We should all recognise our sins and move forwards. Britain had no right to be there as an empire in the 1st place. Before that the Ottoman empire and they had no right to be there but order was there. Israel had no right to reclaim land from 2,000 years ago. As Israeli capitalism prescribes, those Palestinians that lose their houses in and 1967 are entitled to those back, but, what, oh no, they're not allowed. Palestinians own most of Israel but war was the only way they could get hold of the land. A religion doesn't need a home, it resides in everyone that believes. I would physically fight any UK government that said we will support 1 religion over the other in the UK, but when it happens internationally, serious pressure must be applied. Giving the Jews a homeland any where we like strikes at the very heart of the freedom we are founded on. We must learn.
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| Tuesday, January 13, 2009 - 11:44 pm Way to hit this discussion with a knock-out Punch DW.
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| Tuesday, January 13, 2009 - 11:52 pm Israel Rocks
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| Tuesday, January 13, 2009 - 11:54 pm just because they're the "chosen people" (Argueable BTW), does not mean that their shat don't stink.
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| Tuesday, January 13, 2009 - 11:55 pm Thanks, Poobah One is more enlightened when emotions are ignored but one is not guilty when respecting them.
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| Wednesday, January 14, 2009 - 11:52 am Even the death of one single child is awful and should be prevented on both sides. No child should ever be ever exposed to war and aggression of any kind. In the mean time, Hamas is directing its missiles against Israeli population for 8 years and makes life in the south impossible. They are clear about their intentions. Kill all Israelis. Hamas does not recognize the right of Israel to exist and does not accept agreements by the Palestinian authority with Israel. It refuses to stop terror attacks against Israel. While the defensive fence made suicide attacks into Israel impossible, they found a new way with their missiles. In the past weeks they killed 80 Gaza supporters of the Palestinian authority because they are against Hamas. Israel has no choice. It has never directed its fire against children but Hamas is hiding behind kids. Look at some of the videos showing how Hamas members hide behind kids and even forces them to be close to them because they know that the Israelis will then hold their fire. If Hamas stops, there will be peace. If Israel stops, there will be no Israel. All of these Israel haters are shouting and shed tears but it is not about the kids. They realize that Israel is here to stay and much stronger than they have thought. Israel is the only democracy in the Middle East. There has never been any war between democracies. Democracies hate wars. In the mean time, Israeli doctors are treating Palestinian kids in Israeli hospitals and would want to have many more but Hamas does not let them go. In the past years, the Peres peace center brought an average of 1100 sick kids from Gaza to treatment in Israel. At the same time, Hamas leaders are hiding under the main hospital in Gaza in bunkers the Israeli have build in the past, for security of patients and staff. A very safe place indeed. They have money for missiles but no money for medicines, and no money for bunkers for the population to hide. Israeli kids hide in shelters. this is why casualties are low. Medicines in Gaza today come from Arab countries and Turkey, delivered into Israeli airports and delivered each day, along with Israeli food supplies in hundreds of trucks into the Gaza strip. When you discuss proportionality: If there is a murderer in your house, how many policemen should be sent? One? Israel will keep protecting the kids and use any force needed to stop the missiles and uproot Hamas. From 80 missiles a day three weeks ago, it was 13 missiles yesterday, lower range and diminished precision because all calibrated launching pads have been destroyed. The commander of the missile unit in Gaza had to fire the missiles himself because his fighters fled home. He was killed while doing so. You probably have to choose: Hamas-Hezbollah-Iran- Taliban and the Muslim brotherhood or: Western democracies that might one day convince the "reasonable" Arab nations to choose for peace and close a reasonable peace agreement with Israel.
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| Wednesday, January 14, 2009 - 03:40 pm Hector, it does not matter. Realize that people like David Walker and Poobah and Almohad do not care about what will work or about facts. They care about their own political agenda. They care about arguing with you and with anyone who might not blindly agree with them. The one statement of yours that is so correct and so meaningful - 'If Hamas stops, there will be peace. If Israel stops, there will be no Israel.' - means nothing to them. Their arguments and actions show their hypocrisy. They say they favor peace above all else, particularly Poobah. Rather then shout out and support your statement, they argue with it and about it. Logically this means that they favor the destruction of Israel over peace, just like the terrorists Israel is fighting now. Just like the Palestinians who are so 'innocent' that they allowed those terrorists into power in the first place. Always be aware you are writing for those who have only passing interest and casual knowledge of the situation rather than to try and convince the close-minded people I mentioned. It is important to counter their propaganda as you will never change their mind.
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| Wednesday, January 14, 2009 - 05:35 pm These threads about Criminal israel are pissing me right off. Anymore and I will be declaring war. Be warned!
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| Wednesday, January 14, 2009 - 05:35 pm Hector and Arch. What you two are writing has already been said and argued against in the Jersusalem thread. This thread is for why Isreal did'nt let the children out before they started bombing them. If anyones got a political agenda it's you two. Keep your politics on the Jerusalem thread. Just answer the question. WHY WONT/DID'NT ISRAEL LET THE CHILDREN OUT OF GAZA? Hello General G. All these Pro Israeli posts, which don't give a F about the children, are also doing my head in. I tell you what General G.........BRING IT ON. Just me and you. No Fed members. Fearless Blue(War World). When ever your ready.
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| Wednesday, January 14, 2009 - 05:47 pm The Hamas does not let anyone leave Gaza. The Israeli army made thousands of phone calls into homes in Gaza, warning them and asking them to leave before they attacked close to that house. Instead, in some places, they brought more women and childeren to the roof. Fact facts facts. don't lie and don't guess. Just find out about the facts. There is no other army every that has ever done this.
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| Wednesday, January 14, 2009 - 05:55 pm Right thats it, you's have 21 days!
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| Wednesday, January 14, 2009 - 05:57 pm They take children onto their roofs because they are too scared to let them onto the streets. They need to stretch their legs and get out side. They have been sitting in a dark room for 24hrs a day for 3 weeks. As for Hamas wont let them leave. BS. Israel has closed the crossings. The whole of Gaza is getting bombed. Where do you think they can go? There is no where to hide. As I said, all they can do is what Londoners did in the Blitz, just sit it out and hope your not next to die. Except the Londoners were able to evacuate the children and they had bomb shelters. General G. I'm looking forward to taking my pain out on someone. I hope your not Fing about. I'm sick and tired of people making threats, me spending money on weapons and then nothing happens.
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| Wednesday, January 14, 2009 - 06:31 pm Nix: go and watch some of these DVDs. Israel did not bomb these houses when they brought the kids and women to the roof. This is why the leadership hides like mice under a hospital. if israel bombs everything why not a hospital. They know they will not. When Israelis killed a terrorist in Tunis 20 years ago, arabs knew who did it. It had to be Israelis because they did not touch his wife and kids. You have no arguments here. Hamas are terorists, they fight even their own brothers but you don't care. If they have "Kill the Jews" in their charter that is fine. Well, here is some news for you: Israel will destroy every single person who has blood on his hands. They alsways did. This group, like their friends are cruel in a ways we have never seen in the world before. It starts with the way they treat their kids, murder their daughters, and mishandle their wives. if a girl meets a boy, they through some gasoline on her and burn her. Thousands have died but they are fine people. If these are the people you feel comfort with, just go aead. Where have you been when they killed each other in Iraq. Thousand and thousands of kids and women, bombed and burned for nothing. general G: You are an Idiot.
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| Wednesday, January 14, 2009 - 06:40 pm I am not defending anyone one on this thread. I fear Islam as much as the next man. I just don't understand why Israel did'nt give the kids a way out first.
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| Wednesday, January 14, 2009 - 10:57 pm 'Realize that people like David Walker and Poobah and Almohad do not care about what will work or about facts. They care about their own political agenda.'- arch I have no "political Agenda". I'm just against dumb wars. which means most wars.
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| Thursday, January 15, 2009 - 12:12 am Gen G- You are the kind of person that makes me sick and is the root of most of our planets problems. "You don't agree with me, therefor, you are dirt and I'm going to attack you." scumbag.
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| Thursday, January 15, 2009 - 12:39 am Poobah shut your face or i will give you something to feel sick about! This is a game you dickhead!
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| Thursday, January 15, 2009 - 03:29 am OK, I think I know whats going on. I posted this on the thread called 'Forum Hostility' 'Forum: Meeting or medium for the open discussion of sujects of public interest. JR, have you never seen the UN in action? I agree with Max and Alek. If someone was attacked due to posting on a thread that I had started though, I would be all to willing to sacrifice my empires and defend that persons freedom of speach (if I thought that posting on my threads was the only reason for the attack) even if I did not agree with their opinion on our thread and as long as they had not been slanderous. Sacrifice brings freedom, freedom brings peace.' I recon General G has read it and just wants a fight. I'll deal with it. Theres no point anyone else losing their countries over a Lame Horse like General G. Peace&Hardcore................Nix001 MNA Anyway. There has only been one answer given to my question and that was from JB.
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| Thursday, January 15, 2009 - 02:10 pm um. GenG- you threatened Nix because he disagrees with your point of view (like it is so valuable anyways). Therefore I mock you. You are a mockery. a MockingTurd. A mockster to fullest. You cannot attack someone for stating political view. It's moraly wrong. It is not your business to judge. I admitt. I said some harsh things and if I hurt your feelers..I am sorry....however....if you keep being a putz, someone will really hurt yer feelers.
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| Thursday, January 15, 2009 - 02:47 pm The war is a farce. A way to drive up oil and weapons prices. The innocent die. The cycle continues. Greed= Shame both parties are guilty. it's not who should lay down their guns. Everyone HAS to or war will never end. it's like to brothers punching each other. After several rounds, they both ache and wish to stop. But both are to proud to lower his fists first wich results in insults, threats and then another salvo of punches. The end result is the same. our arms hurt. Lets pressure both sides to lay down their arms. Show the Arabs your feet and the Jews your (Expletive Deleted) (Ryhmes with Sore Pins). They both suck and need to stop. Oh, wait. We suck too. Damn. What's wrong with the world? Oh yeah Lust for money Boy do I feel sheepish. ;-P
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| Thursday, January 15, 2009 - 03:17 pm If civilians weren't used as human shields casualities wouldn't be as high. Good luck on getting them to stop. It's been going on for hundreds of years and it will continue. I say drop a nuke with some sort of laughing powder, that should end the fighting. Why are you two idiots arguing?..shh
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| Thursday, January 15, 2009 - 03:17 pm Oh yea, keep pounding the bejesus out of Gaza =)
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| Thursday, January 15, 2009 - 03:36 pm Do you really expect Hamas to all line up in a field and wait for an Israeli F16 to blow them all up? Gaza is cut off from the rest of the world, it's one of the most populated places in the world. They were launching the rockets from outside the cities until Israel started it's offensive. Now if any Hamas fighter even steps out into open land they will kill him before he even has time to put his rocket down, let alone fire it. The reason why Israel closed the crossings was to stop the suicide bombers. The only effective weapon Hamas had. Israel knew that Hamas would have to go into the cities to fight, for in the open Hamas would be cut down. So why did'nt Israel let the Children out?
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| Thursday, January 15, 2009 - 03:44 pm Easier to kill them when they can't fight back. just another form of manipulation and control Gee thanks Global Elite
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| Thursday, January 15, 2009 - 04:02 pm I love your analogy there PoohPooh, so lets go with it. Lets see, they are like brothers fighting, tired and wanting to stop but neither will because of pride or whatever. Great analogy. Oh wait, thats right, ISRAEL said enough, lets stop, you win. Have your country. We are done, you win, leave us in peace. But NO, HAMAS had to KEEP FIRING MISSILES. And Nix, you are so full of shit that the whites of your eyes must be brown. This thread is about Israel not letting women and children out of Gaza? REALLY? Are you hoping people will not scroll back and read the title and first post? (Pauses while people do this now) How many posts were there before you FINALLY mentioned that or tried to explain that is what you meant by the thread title and were trying to talk about? 50? 100? Or was that just some BS you cooked up to try and ignore what I had to say? I am betting on that last. Oh, and by the way Nix, another lie I am calling you on is your statement that Hamas was firing missiles from outside the cities until this offensive. Again, bullshit. They fired missiles from everywhere. From cities, including schoolyards and hospitals, as well as from areas outside the cities. They only fire from cities now because the IDF is present in the countryside and can catch them trying to fire from there easier now. Thats right people, Nix lies to promote his ideals. Remember that.
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| Thursday, January 15, 2009 - 04:07 pm Arch- A MILITARY BLOCKADE IS AN ACT OF WAR THEREFOR NULLIFYING ANY PEACE TREATY. SUCH IS STATED IN SAID CEASE FIRE. ISRAEL NEVER FULLY BACKED UP THEIR END OF THE BARGAIN. THIS LEADS TO INCREASED POVERTY IN GAZA WHICH ALLOWS HAMAS TO REMAIN IN CONTROL. THE POVERTY AND SUFFERING ADDED TO FEAR WILL NOT ALLOW THE GAZAN PEOPLE TO THINK FOR THEMSELVES THEREFORE THEY (LIKE ISRAEL AND US) ARE PAWNS IN A POWER GRAB!!!!!!!!
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Thursday, January 15, 2009 - 04:38 pm
>_< O_o That's kinda the whole point Nix. It's time for Hamas to surrender and be deported. No more Hamas. No more Gaza. Problem solved.
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| Thursday, January 15, 2009 - 10:31 pm I now understand what you mean by: Get the children out. You mean like the Americans took out all the children out of Afghanistan before they attacked? And the Taliban came to the airport to wave them good bye. Or how the US took out all the kids from Iraq before they bombarded Bagdad and Saddam came on TV to praise them. How many Sunni kids where moved out before the butchers came in for the kill. And did the suicide bombers ask all innocent kids and civilians to get off the busses before they blew them up? When the US bombs a wedding in Afghanistan and 50 people die, mostly kids, they call it collateral damage. Same when they slaughter each other al over the Arab world. They don't care and this is the problem. What advantage do the Israelis have killing kids? Does it help? It angers everybody including public opinion in Israel. You think they are proud of killing kids? Will it bring peace? Or make people support Israel right to leave in peace? They are not that stupid and your argumentation is just primitive BS. Kids die because they are used in this conflict. Hamas said many times that the winner will be the Muslim Womb, producing many kids who will fight and win. The Arabs want to die and the Israelis want to live. This is what they say. The Palestinians in the street that is, not these leaders of course. They hide. One more of their top leaders went to meet his creator today. Good riddance. He was among other things, the contact with the Iranian Republican Guards. The saviors of the dignity of mankind. He had blood on his hands and now he is gone. Once these people start loving their own kids more than they hate the Israeli kids we may start to have some hope.
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| Friday, January 16, 2009 - 12:44 am We need not raise our kids to hate the muslim kids either. Cooperation and understanding is the cure all for our itchy rash.
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| Friday, January 16, 2009 - 12:52 am Archangel: "I have a perspective, you have an opinion, he has a political agenda." You have as much of an agenda as anyone my friend. (Your name isn't really FarmerBob, is it???)
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| Friday, January 16, 2009 - 03:10 am Hector. Name one other place in the world where women and children can't leave the conflict zone.
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| Friday, January 16, 2009 - 03:50 am France 1914, France 1941, France 1945 Vicksburg 1862-1864, Gettysburg 1863, Stalingrad 1943, Berlin 1945, China 139-1945, Korea 1951-1953..... The list is long Nix and you are wrong.
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| Friday, January 16, 2009 - 03:51 am Hello SC, I'm back with a new back!... Just for short spats tho, tired-too many drugs. "Name one other place in the world where women and children can't leave the conflict zone." Only 1 Nix? Poland, Germany, Bosnia, China, Darfur...shall I continue? Yes I will! EVERY American Native who walked North America was subject to this type of treatment. Native women gave birth to new savages after all... and for that they died. If the natives had more than stone-age technology the wars with the settlers would STILL be being fought, and not unlike the tactics used by Palistinians. But since they didn't they experianced the worst genocide known in human history. Not too long ago American spaghetti westerns often quoted "the only good injun is a dead injun" and it offended very few. I guess all I can say is for folks to study the history of human behavior before trying to access the present. Goodnight, Dirt
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| Friday, January 16, 2009 - 05:54 am I wonder if a 15 year old combatant is considered a child? Likely...should he/she be treated differently?
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| Friday, January 16, 2009 - 10:29 am Barney, If you see a primate with an assault rifle shooting at you would you duck and get out of direct line of sight or would you stand up and check the species, gender, and age? Did you mean 15 year old POWs?
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| Friday, January 16, 2009 - 11:03 am It's actually sad that a 15yr old is lead into being a combatant. Child soldiers and such. Entire generations are born into violence and suffering. Also note, everyone should read everyones posts. This conversation is starting to suck. I will now set a timeline of truths. 1. Israel V Hamas/ Jews v Islam- Myth It's people killing people over imaginary friends. the rage is sturred up to the point of killing each other. 2. Children getting harmed- inexcusable. should NEVER happen. 3. Children combatants- The BIGGEST AUTRACATY OF OUR GENERATION. 4. Reasons for this war- Greed on both sides. It's true, someone has a financial interest involved. 5. Us argueing trivial facts- Dumb. Talk is cheap. Time to start walking. 6. the fact that people can sit by while innocents die- sickening. A lot of people should be ashamed of themselves. 7. Solution- education. Learn what is really going on. dig down about. Then it should be clear.
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| Friday, January 16, 2009 - 03:13 pm THAT IS NOT RIGHT THAT MY POSTS GET DELETED. I WILL EMAIL THE GAME MASTERS UNTIL THIS IS STOPPED!!!!
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| Friday, January 16, 2009 - 04:25 pm Poobah, again, did you forget the fact that Gaza is not surrounded by Israeli territory? Did you forget that the entire southwestern border of Gaza is closed by Egypt. Israel certainly has a blockade on Gaza NOW. Until this started, they did not so stop trying to shout your lies and actually try to learn. If you define greed as not wanting fellow citizens in your country to get killed, then I would direct you to websters.com. If anything, greed could be the biggest motivator in STOPPING what is going on. In its attempt to have peace, Israel withdrew from Gaza. Completely. Even forcibly removing Jewish settlers because THATS WHAT THE PALESTINIANS WANTED. You claim Israel then blockaded Gaza. Well, that is NOT TRUE and simply not possible as Gaza is not surrounded by Israeli territory. Israel did indeed control its borders with Gaza, typically not allowing anyone or anything through. Please tell me why this is so bad or even unexpected. Have you forgotten the Iron Curtain and Berlin Wall? Is it ok for other countries to close their borders to intruders simply because they are bigger or simply because they are not Jewish? In fact, Israel was probably hurting itself monetarily by closing the borders. Care to revise your little greed theory that is so wrong? I guess Israel values lives more than money. Isn't that exactly what you are supposedly promoting? You act like there is a choice in this matter. Innocents died in World War II, one of the most justifiable wars on the part of the US ever. Would it have been better if we had never fought it? It would certainly be better if we never HAD to, but we did. How is this any different? Or is it wrong simply because Israel is so much bigger than Gaza? Should I stand there allowing you to punch me simply because I am bigger and can take the punches longer? Yes, it really really sucks that people are dying, but what should Israel do. Just sit there forever while rockets rain down upon them? At what point have they done enough trying to get the rest of the world to stop Hamas? At what point are the losses they were taking big enough for them to do exactly what they have done? Do you or I or anyone really have the right to tell them what that point may be? No, we do not. You sit there crying about what is going on now but YOU, just like the Palestinians who allowed Hamas to come to power, did NOTHING while Hamas attacked Israel over and over and over again FOR NO REASON. Therefor, I say YOU are as responsible for this situation as anyone. Do not delude yourself into thinking you are not. You see, I am educated on the situation. I do know what has happened. I have dug deeper. I have experienced it and studied it and learned about it for the last 25 years. You sit there and spout off with your little 'truisms'. At least you use the word 'should' when you say children should never get harmed, but that is irrelevant. They do get harmed, they will get harmed, and, in the situation we are discussing, the ISRAELIS are doing their best to minimize that harm while Hamas has constantly and continually done their very best to DO harm or CAUSE IT HAPPEN to children, both their own and Israeli children. Be sad that Israel was FORCED into their actions. Be sad that Palestinians are suffering. DO NOT be misled into thinking the Palestinians are innocent.
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| Friday, January 16, 2009 - 07:30 pm Helloa General Dirt Good to see you about and I agree with your last bit. But, and this goes to you aswell Sam AKA JB. Quote from typing into Google Israeli wall around Gaza. 'The Israeli Gaza Strip barrier is a separation barrier first constructed under the leadership of Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin. Completely encircling the Gaza Strip, the barrier is made up of wire fencing with posts, sensors and buffer zones on lands bordering Israel, and concrete and steel walls on lands bordering Egypt.' So your telling me all these countries or cities on your lists had one of those around it? Do you lot know how big the Gaza strip is? It's like fencing of NY city so no one can get out, then targeting it like Berlin in 1945. At least any children from Berlin would have been able to have been evacuated, like London when the war began. Dam, most hav'nt even got bomb shelters in Gaza. They just sit in their rooms waiting to die. I just don't understand why they did'nt let the children out first. I also don't understand why alot of you just don't seem to get whats going on.
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| Friday, January 16, 2009 - 09:15 pm But then if they had got the children out, there would have been no excuse not to mini nuke Gaza Can you imagine that. All the children/women/elderly are given 1 week to leave Gaza(which they would have done so if they wer'nt caged in and the crossings were open). Then it would be Fighter V's Fighter(with a bigger gun) Gaza would be flattened, job done. That would then just leave the West Bank. But by that time, most of the West Bank Palestinians would have gone to Joran due to the over crowding caused by the Gazan's and from also seeing what they have just witnessed in Gaza(would you want to hang around?) Forget the fence around Gaza, you wanna check out the Wall around the West Bank. Anyway, that would have, over time and with a bit of persuasion, left the West bank for the Zionists. Sorted. But no, because they were running out of time to get the worst of it out of they way while Bush was still in office. You got to give it to the palestinians, they held on as long as they could. Through starvation, humiliation, family seperation. Everything Israel could do to them to get the party started and they nearly held on for the New Kid on the block to get to the party. But now it looks like the Zionists might have missed their chance? They did'nt get the children out because time was on top of them.
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| Saturday, January 17, 2009 - 12:07 am "Care to revise your little greed theory that is so wrong? I guess Israel values lives more than money. Isn't that exactly what you are supposedly promoting? " So that's why they drop bombs on them? That's why they use White Phosphorous? a Weapon BANNED by the Geneva convention. Peace is often never found through war. You claim your education on the subject gives you insight. True to a point. I am self educated, I call it how I see it without the biase of education institutions. "Yes, it really really sucks that people are dying, but what should Israel do. Just sit there forever while rockets rain down upon them?" Yes. Even the Muslim world would turn agains Gaza if Israel took it like a champ. Those rockets kill like 1 person for every 10 they launch. It's not like it's That big of a threat. More people die of Heart disease each year. Peaceful resistance always works better. Get public opinion against Hamas through peaceful protest. Then devote the funds to rebuild Gaza with Schools, hospitals Etc. Then the problem is solved. "did you forget the fact that Gaza is not surrounded by Israeli territory?" Gaza also boarders Egypt and the ocean. An ISRAELY MILITARY BLOCKADE HAS BEEN INPLACE ALONG THE GAZAN BOADER SINCE BEFORE THE CEASEFIRE WAS SIGNED. International pressures forced Egypt to block of the southern boader. When a hole was punched, Egypt dragged it's feet on fixing it. This allowed Food and medical supplies to flow in. The economic instability, which was partially created by israel, has allowed violent gangs (hamas and others) to take control of an impoverished and scared Gazan community. Fear controlls. Just like we were lead to believe that Al Qeida is a threat. War is not how you end this. Israel should have helped rebuild Gaza. The people need Educated. The children need to grow up in a violence free world The truth is- Violence in not in our nature. It is a learned trait and the last generation continues to ruin the newest generation. But, it is planned. Why educate and attempt to control, when you can dumb them down and then kill any consenters. Besides, educated people sit on your front porch singing songs about YOUR human rights violation. You can't very well label them as terrorists(a myth by the way). Lets compare this war to- I shoot you with a spit wad, so you beat me to death with a hammer. I am not supporting Hamas or Israel. I am saying- Unless the conditions in Gaza improve (which the people would love to happen) this will never end. However, Israel has proven repeatedly that it does not want Gaza to become stable and productive. They would no longer have an enemy to distract their people with while they take away their rights. Just like the U.S. does. Just like the U.K. Does. theirs a much bigger picture at play.
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| Saturday, January 17, 2009 - 01:48 am Kill for gain or shoot to maim But we don't need a reason The Golden Goose is on the loose And never out of season Blackened pride still burns inside This shell of bloody treason Here's my gun for a barrel of fun For the love of living death. The killer's breed or the demon's seed, The glamour, the fortune, the pain, Go to war again, blood is freedom's stain, Don't you pray for my soul anymore. 2 minutes to midnight The hands that threaten doom. 2 minutes to midnight To kill the unborn in the womb. The blind men shout let the creatures out We'll show the unbelievers The napalm screams of human flames Of a prime time Belsen feast...YEAH! As the reasons for the carnage cut their meat and lick the gravy, We oil the jaws of the war machine and feed it with our babies. The body bags and little rags of children torn in two And the jellied brains of those who remain to put the finger right on you. As the madmen play on words and make us all dance to their song, To the tune of starving millions to make a better kind of gun.
WOW 1,800,000 people killed before they even get born. Yes let the children out one third of the babies get knifed. So let me sse 1,800,000 sim people are worth about 16 gold coins. What man is he that liveth, and shall not see death? shall he deliver his soul from the hand of the grave? And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment: So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation. MOAR WAR MOAR WAR Nute Gunray
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| Saturday, January 17, 2009 - 03:18 am Nute. What go on man? 'Yes let the children out one third of the babies get knifed.' I don't know what you mean by that. It would work just as well with out it. No Neeeeeeed
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| Saturday, January 17, 2009 - 05:08 am What I meant is there are so many self-centered people. They do not care about the children of others, and sometimes they do not even care about their own children. The signs are here. I meant by "one third of the babies get knifed" is that in the United States about 1 out of 3 babies are aborted each year. So much death and so few who really care about the children. We should do something about all of this. We should protect the children somehow. But it is now to the point where the moms and dads are forsaking their own children to go on drinking binges and to find a fix for their crack addiction. Let the children live. Now I have said too much soon they will say SPAM Nute Gunray the Viceroy
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| Saturday, January 17, 2009 - 06:06 am Well said. So I suppose if they are willing to forsake their own, why would they give a hoot about anyone elses? Especialy the children of Gaza.
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| Saturday, January 17, 2009 - 07:23 am No sheep, I would put the cross hairs on that childs head and paint the wall red behind him. My point is "child" can be a rather subjective term in war torn areas.
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| Saturday, January 17, 2009 - 11:09 am "forsaking their own children to go on drinking binges and to find a fix for their crack addiction." Like many of our problems, we tend to try and put a bandage over the social wound. When instead we should be treating what caused the cut. We need to teach kids proper sex education, improve the home and familly structures and then stop lieing to the kids. Trust me, they/I could tell when someone was feeding me a line of BS. Which also brings me to the same point on the mideast crisis- Rebuild their infrustructure and educational system and solve the problem.
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| Saturday, January 17, 2009 - 12:58 pm As taken from news article- The U.N. Children's Fund says 840,000 children in Gaza are under extreme stress and are traumatized by the violent events of the past few weeks. UNICEF warns of long-lasting psychological consequences for thousands of children caught up in the Israeli- Hamas conflict in Gaza. The United Nations reports more than one thousand Palestinians have been killed and more than 5,000 wounded since the conflict in Gaza began nearly three weeks ago. The U.N. Children's Fund says about one third of those killed and wounded are children. UNICEF Regional Director for the Middle East and North Africa, Sigrid Kaag, says as usual children bear the brunt of the hostilities. "It will be a long haul in our estimation to really assist children and their families to rebuild what is left of a normal life under already very challenging circumstances," she said. Speaking from Amman, Jordan, Kaag tells journalists in Geneva the conflict is a disaster for children on all levels. She says prior to the Israeli military incursion, the stress level of children was already high. She says this has only worsened. She says children daily are exposed to killings, home demolitions, displacements and house searches. At the same time, she says, they no longer have access to normal routines such as schooling and play. For full article- http://www.voanews.com/english/2009-01-16-voa63.cfm
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| Sunday, January 18, 2009 - 06:04 am Gazan Doctor and Peace Advocate Loses 3 Daughters to Israeli Fire and Asks Why By DINA KRAFT Published: January 17, 2009 TEL HASHOMER, Israel - Dr. Izzeldin Abuelaish is a Gazan and a doctor who has devoted his life to medicine and reconciliation between Israelis and Palestinians. Dr. Izzeldin Abuelaish, right, in the hospital where he works in Israel. He lost three daughters, and a fourth was being treated. Related Israel Declares Cease-Fire; Hamas Says It Will Fight On (January 18, 2009) But on Saturday, the day after three of his daughters and a niece were killed by Israeli fire in Gaza, Dr. Abuelaish, 53, struggled to hold on to the humane philosophy that has guided his life and work. As he sat in a waiting room of the Israeli hospital where he works part time, he asked over and over, "Why did they do this?" For full article Listen, children, to a story That was written long ago, 'Bout a kingdom on a mountain And the valley-folk below. On the mountain was a treasure Buried deep beneath the stone, And the valley-people swore They'd have it for their very own. Go ahead and hate your neighbor, Go ahead and cheat a friend. Do it in the name of Heaven, You can justify it in the end. There won't be any trumpets blowing Come the judgement day, On the bloody morning after.... One tin soldier rides away. So the people of the valley Sent a message up the hill, Asking for the buried treasure, Tons of gold for which they'd kill. Came an answer from the kingdom, "With our brothers we will share All the secrets of our mountain, All the riches buried there." Go ahead and hate your neighbor, Go ahead and cheat a friend. Do it in the name of Heaven, You can justify it in the end. There won't be any trumpets blowing Come the judgement day, On the bloody morning after.... One tin soldier rides away. Now the valley cried with anger, "Mount your horses! Draw your sword!" And they killed the mountain-people, So they won their just reward. Now they stood beside the treasure, On the mountain, dark and red. Turned the stone and looked beneath it... "Peace on Earth" was all it said. Go ahead and hate your neighbor, Go ahead and cheat a friend. Do it in the name of Heaven, You can justify it in the end. There won't be any trumpets blowing Come the judgement day, On the bloody morning after.... One tin soldier rides away. Go ahead and hate your neighbor, Go ahead and cheat a friend. Do it in the name of Heaven, You can justify it in the end. There won't be any trumpets blowing Come the judgement day, On the bloody morning after.... One tin soldier rides away. One Tin Soldier (The Legend of Billy Jack) Please ask yourself, "What can I do in my part of the world? How can I effect change for the better? How can I invest into a child's life" Nute Gunray the Viceroy
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| Sunday, January 18, 2009 - 06:51 pm Nicely said Nute. Copied from Nutes link: 'Israel declared late Saturday that a unilateral cease-fire would begin in Gaza within hours, but said its troops would remain in place for now.' Unilateral Contract: A contract in which only one party makes an express promise, or undertakes a performance without first securing a reciprocal agreement from the other party. Hamas has made many of them already. Israel has never taken any notice of them. 'In Gaza City, a Hamas spokesman in hiding, Fawzi Barhoum, said in a statement that "we will not accept the presence of a single soldier in Gaza," according to Agence-France Presse. "The Zionist enemy must stop all its aggression, completely withdraw from the Gaza Strip, lift the blockade and open the crossings."' Which all these conditions, in my opinion, are why Hamas started firing rockets again. How are Hamas going to get the blockaides stopped, get the crossings re-opened, stop the assasinations and eventualy stop the occupation with just rolling over? Why should Hamas agree to a cease fire which gives the Gazan Palestinians nothing and Israel Zinoists everything? (I say Zionist because a Jew would'nt be doing these things in the first place.) And if you hav'nt already, have a look at Nutes Link : Full Article
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| Sunday, January 18, 2009 - 07:31 pm Hamas started firing rockets again because Israel broke the truce. In fact, Israel never even abided by the truce in the first place: the truce called for the lifting of the Israeli blockade of Gaza (which incidentally was imposed before Hamas took over in Gaza - Gaza was still under Fatah control when the blockade was imposed) and Israel simply didn't lift the blockade. Since the blockade is defined as an act of war, in effect Israel got away with maintaining attacks on the population of Gaza while Hamas kept its part of the bargain. Hamas held back the rockets until Israel launched two raids allegedly to destroy tunnels in Gaza, killing Palestinians in the process. As far as I'm concerned, the raids were intended to provoke Hamas retaliation and give Israel a pretext to launch its long-planned attack on Gaza.
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| Monday, January 19, 2009 - 03:58 am A female CNN journalist heard about a very old Jewish man who had been going to the Western Wall to pray, twice a day, every day, for a long, long time. So she went to check it out. She went to the Western Wall and there he was walking slowly up to the holy site. She watched him pray and after about 45 minutes, when he turned to leave, using a cane in a very slow fashion, she approached him for an interview. "I'm Rebecca Smith from CNN. Sir, how long have you been coming to the Western Wall and praying?" "For about 60 years." "60 years! That's amazing! What do you pray for?" "I pray for peace between the Christians, Jews and the Muslims. I pray for all the hatred to stop and I pray for all our children to grow up in safety and friendship." "How do you feel after doing this for 60 years?" "Like I've been talking to a fuckin' wall!
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| Tuesday, January 20, 2009 - 11:44 pm
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| Wednesday, January 21, 2009 - 04:37 pm I will point out, again, that Israel cannot blockade Gaza when 8 miles of southwestern Gaza borders Egypt. Again, why should there be any expectation whatsoever that Israel allow anything at all to cross its borders. Why do you think it fair or just or even right that every other country in the world can decide when, what, and who crosses, or does not cross, its borders, Israel should not have that choice? Are you stupid? Did you get dropped on your head as a child? It is literally impossible for Israel to blockade Gaza without invading Egypt. Last I heard that hasn't happened in 40 years. There is a HUGE difference between blockading and closing your borders. Again, is there something special about Israel that means the rest of the world can tell it, unlike any other country in the world, it cannot control its own borders? It is only my opinion, but the reason people like Almohad use the term 'blockade' despite it being incorrect do so because of it pejorative value. It simply sounds bad. You go with that propaganda there Almohad. I will continue to point out your deceit.
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| Wednesday, January 21, 2009 - 07:08 pm According to journalists and medical workers it was the Israeli Army that stopped them from leaving Egypt to get into Gaza during the last 4 weeks. You wrote: 'It is literally impossible for Israel to blockade Gaza without invading Egypt. Last I heard that hasn't happened in 40 years.' This next bit was written in 1994: 'The Israel Army reopened on Thursday the southern Gaza Strip's passage with Egypt for Palestinian travellers, after a closure that lasted for four consecutive days. Palestinian sources said that the Israeli army reopened the Rafah terminal for Palestinians, but all Palestinians aged below 35 were not allowed access into the terminal. Meanwhile, the Israel Army closed on Thursday the Abu Holi military roadblock in central Gaza Strip, separating the northern and southern parts of the strip. The sources said that the Israeli army is detaining hundreds of Palestinians between the two sides of the roadblock while thousands are stranded on the sides of the roadblock, waiting to be allowed access to their workplaces. In the meantime, the Israeli army still holds a tight grip on the entrances and exists of northern Strip's town of Beit Hanoun, while Israeli military bulldozers still raze and demolish Palestinians' lands and properties.' Anyways Arch. The Israeli Borders you refer to are illegal borders. Thats why the world can have a say. To me, it seems that it's you spouting propaganda.
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| Thursday, January 22, 2009 - 01:14 pm ffs this debate is uncivilized. I side with the leftists on this debate. Given Israels' military, economic and foreign policy advantage. Couldn't they have just assigned intelligence agency to eliminate the threat of Hamas rockets? Or even call in American intelligence to eliminate the threat if they weren't capable, after all in recent history mainstream American politicians have pandered to "Zionist" values (I'm neural on this topic). With all considered information Israels response is very disproportionate to Gaza, (given the conservative rightist reasoning though thats not a factor (reasoning for Iraq to combat "9/11" terrorism))
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| Thursday, January 22, 2009 - 01:18 pm Also this conflict has greatly decreased my faith in Israels "right" to exist, given the multiple attacks on UN and red cross agencies. These aren't isolated accounts, it's happened many times.
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| Thursday, January 22, 2009 - 02:05 pm Angus I'm curious who and when made the quote(I'm assuming it is) at the end of your message. here is the text I'm referring to (reasoning for Iraq to combat "9/11" terrorism) Im also curious why you think the United States of America, and the "Coalition of the Willing" invaded Iraq. Yooper
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| Thursday, January 22, 2009 - 02:13 pm Thats funny Mat. "Coalition of the willing" When given the choise "You are either with us or against us" Is'nt what I would call willing Thats funny man. Do me a favour though. Start up another thread 'Why did we invade Iraq?'. It's just that I would like this thread to stay on the discusion of the excess force that Israel used. And I know talking about Iraq will open up a can of worms which will take a while to sort out. Thanks Peace&Hardcore.................Nix001 MNA
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| Thursday, January 22, 2009 - 02:32 pm Honestly I admit I don't have a quote to back up my claim mat (I could find some if you really wanted). The connotations of connecting Saddam with Islamic radicalism, or terrorism is still clear in my head, I'm not blaming governments for this media rhetoric but it is highly suggestible in my opinion, given the comparison of footage (have you ever seen what us "good guys" are shooting at in Iraq or Afghanistan let alone the damage we are doing collaterally or even worse humanly), yet compare the images of the current Gaza conflict, or Vietnam war. I might note the time in 02-04 where reference are made that bin laden has been eliminated (by different sources), yet some time later he releases videos heavily criticizing us good guys. Rightist American and Australian political parties (uninformed on other countries) have capitalized on this fear weather or not it is well founded to gain political power, to further their policy that is not related to their pro fascist (non liberal (freedom) social) policy.
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| Thursday, January 22, 2009 - 02:47 pm this is from archangel1's most recent post, and i find it insane and very objectionable: " will point out, again, that Israel cannot blockade Gaza when 8 miles of southwestern Gaza borders Egypt. Again, why should there be any expectation whatsoever that Israel allow anything at all to cross its borders. Why do you think it fair or just or even right that every other country in the world can decide when, what, and who crosses, or does not cross, its borders, Israel should not have that choice? Are you stupid? Did you get dropped on your head as a child? It is literally impossible for Israel to blockade Gaza without invading Egypt. Last I heard that hasn't happened in 40 years. There is a HUGE difference between blockading and closing your borders. Again, is there something special about Israel that means the rest of the world can tell it, unlike any other country in the world, it cannot control its own borders? It is only my opinion, but the reason people like Almohad use the term 'blockade' despite it being incorrect do so because of it pejorative value. It simply sounds bad. You go with that propaganda there Almohad. I will continue to point out your deceit." ok sir and just what % of the borders of gaza are egyptian, and what % israeli? thats question 1 to expose your lies. next you said israel has the right to control what crosses its borders. what about a country which controls almost all of the borders of a smaller and poorer and weaker country, and the stronger/bigger country imposes a total blockade? do you really think thats OK??? or is it only OK when its done against muslims sir?
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| Thursday, January 22, 2009 - 02:59 pm Thank You for the Responses Nix& Angus. I am only going to ask one more question here? Are you being honest with yourself when you say that: "Rightist American and Australian political parties (uninformed on other countries) have capitalized on this fear weather or not it is well founded to gain political power, to further their policy that is not related to their pro fascist (non liberal (freedom) social) policy." Another way of paraphrasing the question is this what you honestly believe the source of all this violence and death, is because Right leaning politicians in the US desire political power and a "Fascist social policy in their country"?
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| Thursday, January 22, 2009 - 04:04 pm Alexander, you are a fool. I have not lied. Not once. You ask about percentage of borders, what does that have to do with anything? Since the percentage is NOT 100%, as I have pointed out, what does it matter? Israel has not and can not impose a 100% blockade. Pretty much makes any of the deliberately misleading and inflamatory questions you try to ask meaningless, doesn't it. The point is there is an 8 mile long stretch of Gaza that borders Egypt. This makes it impossible for Israel to blockade Gaza. That means that the single biggest supposed grievance Hamas has with Israel for firing rockets is a lie. One that Nix, Alomahad, and now you are willing to perpetrate. In Nixs case I believe he perpetrates this lie because of his political views. In your case, I think it is ignorance. In Alomahads case I think it is because he simply doesn't care about the truth and will use any technique he feels will aid him in supporting those who simply wish to kill jews. And Nix, before you start with your lies again, that little quote you put up about Israel opening the passage to Egypt after closing it for 4 days occurred during the recent fighting. Israel entered Gaza and closed that passage from INSIDE Gaza. Until Israeli forces moved in a couple of weeks ago, that passage was controlled by the Egyptians on the Egyptian side of that border and by the Gazans on the Gazan side of the border. Maybe Hamas should be firing rockets into Egypt.
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| Thursday, January 22, 2009 - 05:49 pm Arch. Calm down, calm down. Init mate No Bro. It was 4 years ago. So you admit it ;) Israel CAN close the Egyptian/Gaza border at will. I wonder if there is a no-mans land on the Egypt/Gaza border as there is around the Israel/Gaza border?. I'll be back.
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| Thursday, January 22, 2009 - 06:47 pm archangel1, it *is* relevant how much of the border another country controls. especially when the government of egypt is a corrupt dictatorship paid billions per year by the USA. you do know that right? could that possibly explain why egypt is assisting in israel's blockade of gaza? i think so. the point is that when one small nation is almost totally within the territory of another much bigger, wealthier, and militarily more powerful nation, *clearly* the small nation can easily get blockaded, even if there is like 5% of a border with some other country.... anyway, i am not saying the blockade morally justifies firing random rockets all over the place. but it is an important part of understanding the conflict, and figuring out how to try to resolve it.
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| Thursday, January 22, 2009 - 08:01 pm Let's hope Pres Obama has the stomach for it.
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| Saturday, January 24, 2009 - 04:31 am Thanks Arch - your description of my motives suggests to me that you really have no response to my arguments and have to dredge up that old anti-Semitic bullshit, like so many other failed apologists for Israeli terror. Glad to see I had an impact! Okay, so Israel can't blockade the Egyptian border with Gaza. And therefore, according to your logic, supplies must have been flowing through that border uninterrupted, making up for any shortages caused by the Israeli blockade??? You seem to be the only person in the entire world who has noticed this phenomenon. Of course Egypt has been blockading that border. And of course the Gazans have been building tunnels to break that blockade as much as possible. How you manage to twist this into an argument that the Gazans have no beef with Israel is beyond me.
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| Saturday, January 24, 2009 - 02:20 pm " Of course Egypt has been blockading that border" Why has Egypt been blockading that border? You make it sound like Egypt has no reason not to blockade it, but on the other hand castrate Israel for blockading Gaza
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| Saturday, January 24, 2009 - 07:32 pm Go on then Karff. Tell us why Egypt blockaded the Gaza border.
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| Saturday, January 24, 2009 - 08:04 pm nix, I was quoting almohad who said "Of course Egypt has been blockading that border" I don't know why Egypt has been blockading the border, but Almohad seems to think they have a better reason than Israel
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| Sunday, January 25, 2009 - 09:42 am Karff, Egypt shares a much smaller % of gaza's border than Israel does. Therefore it is right to blame Israel much more than Egypt for the blockade of gaza. Are you aware of the extreme devastation in both economic and humanitarian terms this blockade has wrought on gazans for over an entire year now?
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| Sunday, January 25, 2009 - 05:41 pm Blockading 95% of a border doesn't reduce supply flow by 95%. I am very aware of the immense damage the Egyptian blockade has done to Gaza, and I hope the Egyptians pay full restitution as soon as possible
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| Sunday, January 25, 2009 - 06:11 pm I think there is a reason the united nations, european union, all scholars, blame israel for the blockade and not egypt. its because egypt is only following israel's lead. egypt is a corrupt dictatorship - the main source of political opposition within egypt to the reign of hosni mubarak is the group "muslim brotherhood"; hamas is a split off from the muslim brotherhood. starting to add up?
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| Monday, May 31, 2010 - 04:57 pm Due to Zionist Jews intercepting the latest aid convoy to Gaza, killing 19 peace activists and aid personnel. At the same time, the USA confirming to Israel that it will not have to conform to the Middle East Nuclear Proliferation Treaty, I thought I would bring this up again. Is it not time for us all to Boycott Israeli produce and to take an anti-Zionist Israeli stance?
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| Tuesday, June 1, 2010 - 12:46 am Nix, you are such an ignorant racist it is pathetic.
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| Tuesday, June 1, 2010 - 01:34 am I don't like to mix politics with my gaming but wasn't there a 60 minutes program on tunnels between Egypt and Gaza? (60 minutes is a CBS TV show which airs on Sunday evenings) And there were interviews with several business owners in southern gaza that profit from these tunnels. The program aired some time ago.
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| Tuesday, June 1, 2010 - 11:06 am LMFAO Nix is pro hamas, pro al-queda, pro boycott breaking 'peace activists' who smash other people over the head with iron bars and chairs. Sounds just like Nix's way of doing things, terrorise others to get your own way.
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| Tuesday, June 1, 2010 - 02:38 pm +1 crafty
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| Tuesday, June 1, 2010 - 05:20 pm Helloa Meastro2000. With respect, how else do you propose the Gazans get basic supplies? I would be interested to know what you would have done in France during WW11. Would you have joined the resistance or just rolled over? King Xenu. And the Zionists are what? Lt Cock. I am Pro equal rights and Pro resistance to an occupying force. Again Lt Cock. I bet you would be one of those who would have bowed down to the Nazis if they had landed on our shores. 'terrorise others to get your own way' Do you even know what you saying there? If you did some research on the situation, you would see just how stupid that comment was. Tell me Lt Cock. What rights did the Zionist Army have to board a ship in international waters? Simple Ummagumma. -11
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| Tuesday, June 1, 2010 - 05:44 pm In the "Hearts of Iron game" by Paradox, I would play as either the Germans or the Russians. The France outlook is hopeless. Playing as the Americans is boring. Playing as the Italians was so so.
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| Tuesday, June 1, 2010 - 07:35 pm What right did you have to attack me for speaking my mind, or Trahx, or any other you might have tried to terrorise? The Israelli military were enforcing their govt policy, be that policy right or wrong. The media make a farcical trial of it. Personally I'm all for any move, legal *or illegal* to quench fundamentalists, including cloning passports to enable the assassination of such and storming ships that try to frustrate the efforts of the free west.
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| Tuesday, June 1, 2010 - 09:16 pm You really are full of it aren't you Lt Cock. I stated on the Desire-less thread that I would not attack you, and I didnt. Then a week later, after you joined the two Ronnies (who were in it for the loot) YOU attacked Mother Natures SOS. Then during the war you told me that you didn't mean what you said. How is that speaking your mind? Trahx also admitted he said what he said to provoke a fight so he could test out the war engine, so don't bring him into it. As for the rest of your comment...............Sounds to me like you accept Fundamental Terrorism. Its people like you that give the 'Free West' a reason to be attacked. Like with your comments on the Environment, you have no interest in whats right or wrong, only what suits you. I am ashamed to call you an Englishman. Its time you stood up, worked out the meaning of right and wrong and became a man.
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| Tuesday, June 1, 2010 - 11:38 pm In it for loot? The last place anyone would look for loot is in your countries nix, you were 1/4 to 1/2 a QUAD in debt. You decced Albert Square, dont twist things with me fool. You threatened Trahx in these forums, again, dont twist and squirm. You have nothing valid to say, just crazed ramblings from a tree-hugging loser. Go away you insignificant termite.
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| Tuesday, June 1, 2010 - 11:49 pm FROM THE DESIRELESS THREAD (WHERE I THREATENED YOU). Johanas Bilderburg (Little Upsilon) Saturday, March 21, 2009 - 07:59 pm -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Nix on KB = swag jason (Little Upsilon) Saturday, March 21, 2009 - 08:29 pm -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- mmmm swag nix001 Saturday, March 21, 2009 - 08:29 pm -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- All ready to be transferred into Mother Natures Army. THE DEBT WAS CAUSED BY THE WAR LT COCK. Anyways. Since when has Declare become Attack? I didn't fire one shot at you or Trahx. Trahx admitted his mistake and you, a week later, Joined up with the two Ronnies and nearly destroyed my Empire. Stand up for yourself man. That's all the Palestinians are doing. No surprise you don't see whats going on. You have no empathy for them as you can't even stand up for yourself. Oh yea Lt Cock. And what stopped our war? YOU telling me that your internet connection kept going down so you couldn't defend your self. And what did I do? Even though I had taken down your Air Defence and occupied your land?
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| Wednesday, June 2, 2010 - 12:22 am Nix, there you go again with your ranting on "Zionist" this or "Zionist" that. Above you stated to CC "you have no interest in whats right or wrong, only what suits you". Are you serious? Shall I refresh your memory with the debate we had on the Iran thread in this general forum? This coming from the same person who claimed that Jews did not show up for work on 9/11 because they were given advance notification on what was going to happen. Are you kidding me. You also stated to CC above that he "accepts Fundamental Terrorism". So if I understand you correctly, it is ok for terrorists in Gaza to launch rockets into Israel, but its not OK for Israel to defend themselves? Your view of the world and how things work is a complete joke and honestly its laughable. You my friend are very simply a racist and an anarchist.
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| Wednesday, June 2, 2010 - 01:18 am 'I have seen alot of programs about 9/11. But the only thing that struck me as being strange was that apparently alot of Jews didn't show up for work at the WTC that day. My information might be wrong, but its something I've heard from different sources.' Is what I said. And yes.....Zionist this and Zionist that. You wouldn't catch a Jew doing these things. Whats the difference between a freedom fighter and a terrorist?
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| Wednesday, June 2, 2010 - 02:04 am And now that you wrote it again, do you realize how ridiculous that statement is yet? What racist programs are you watching that make claims that Jews knew beforehand about the attack? Courtesy of google and princeton: Freedom Fighter: a person who takes part in an armed rebellion against the constituted authority (especially in the hope of improving conditions). Terrorist: a radical who employs terror as a political weapon; usually organizes with other terrorists in small cells; often uses religion as a cover for terrorist activities. The moment your friends started launching rockets into Israel they became terrorists, not freedom fighters. Any educated person would not call Hamas or any other terrorist organization Freedom Fighters. Look at how they control and dictate the lives of their own people and call for Israel to be completely replaced by a Palestinian state.
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| Wednesday, June 2, 2010 - 03:54 am Nix, I found an interesting video for you: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYjkLUcbJWo What do you think now about your "peace activists" and "aid personnel"? You should think about researching some facts first before you go off and start blasting about injustices and your false statements and hopefully in the future you wouldn't appear so foolish.
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| Wednesday, June 2, 2010 - 04:32 am I've just found this: http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1142541 Some funny comments on it.
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| Wednesday, June 2, 2010 - 04:57 am Can we end this thread. It's so far off from the game we play.
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| Wednesday, June 2, 2010 - 05:09 am UNITED NATIONS CONVENTION ON THE LAW OF THE SEA AGREEMENT RELATING TO THE IMPLEMENTATION OF PART XI OF THE CONVENTION SECTION 2. LIMITS OF THE TERRITORIAL SEA Article3 Breadth of the territorial sea Every State has the right to establish the breadth of its territorial sea up to a limit not exceeding 12 nautical miles, measured from baselines determined in accordance with this Convention. Article24 Duties of the coastal State 1. The coastal State shall not hamper the innocent passage of foreign ships through the territorial sea except in accordance with this Convention. In particular, in the application of this Convention or of any laws or regulations adopted in conformity with this Convention, the coastal State shall not: (a) impose requirements on foreign ships which have the practical effect of denying or impairing the right of innocent passage; or (b) discriminate in form or in fact against the ships of any State or against ships carrying cargoes to, from or on behalf of any State.
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| Wednesday, June 2, 2010 - 05:12 am Maestro, you can stop reading. Do not infringe upon others' enjoyment of our forums. That would be rather selfish when you can ignore the conversation altogether.
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| Wednesday, June 2, 2010 - 05:13 am Hi Meastro. But is it? Reason, truth, concequences?
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| Wednesday, June 2, 2010 - 05:50 am I'm a New Yorker and I was here in New York City on September 11, 2001. I watch the second plane crash into the twin towers. I watched people jump to their death from high floors in the trade center. And I also watched the television news programs that same day/night....and I will never forget. People from around the globe showing support for the victims. Then TV viewers watched the reaction from people living in the Gaza strip. People were dancing and celebrating in the streets. So ask me, a New Yorker what I think about boats being boarded off the coast of Gaza?.....
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| Wednesday, June 2, 2010 - 10:26 pm Im sorry to hear that Meastro. I cant imagine what you went/going through. The same as I cant imagine what the families of the victims of the IRA went through. http://www.gpwindowfilms.com/bomb-attacks.html I cant speak on behalf of anyone who has gone through Terror as I live in relative peace. But I have known of Terror since the first years of my life. And over these years I have seen from my Leaders Resolve and Understanding. I have seen them sit with the enemy and make a peace Treaty. The United Kingdom learnt along time ago that just trying to destroy them only ended up with the innocent getting caught in the way. Whats stopping the IRA from Bombing England again?
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| Wednesday, June 2, 2010 - 11:12 pm http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/1563119.stm
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| Wednesday, June 2, 2010 - 11:28 pm Maestro, I'm in the exact same boat as you. I too am a New Yorker and saw first hand the second plane hit the World Trade Center and the aftermath. That is why I jump in quickly on a thread to retort someone who makes crazy statements on what happened that day and is an obvious supporter of extremism.
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| Thursday, June 3, 2010 - 02:12 pm I am sorry if I have offended either of you.
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| Thursday, June 3, 2010 - 03:06 pm Nix -999999999999 Israel is at war and shall do whatever it needs to survive. Go Netanyahu!
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| Thursday, June 3, 2010 - 11:35 pm Nix, first, it takes a very self aware and big person to publicly apologize. I certainly respect you more now than I did when I was reading your comments previously. Second, no apology necessary as you were stating your opinion. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. However, I do think prior to forming an opinion, someone should look at facts, especially both sides to get a fuller understanding of circumstances. That is the only thing I wish people would do more of.
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| Monday, November 19, 2012 - 04:51 pm Bumped due to yet again the Zionists of Israel are killing the Gazan children. Over four days 3 Israeli dead and 90 Gazans. Estimated 39% are children. Whats started it? The Zionists assassinated a Hamas top official by the means of a missile strike on his car is the middle of a street in the most populated area in the world (due to the Palestinians being forced into one area by the Zionists through occupation, intimidation and murder). Hamas then retaliated with increasing their missile attacks against the occupiers. Did you know that Israel accepts that it has to put up with a certain amount of resistance by the means of rocket attacks by the Gazans due to what they are doing? And that 50% of the population in the most populated area of the world are children? What other government in the world would just stand by while assassination by missiles were taking place on your streets? So why do the western media give the impression that it is the Gazans who started it? And make out that these children deserve to die because of the actions of Hamas, who at the end of the day is only trying to protect them from a occupier and murderer? I beg you all. Please watch the Arab new channels and see what our leaders are allowing to happen and then allow your feelings to do what you can to show that you do not support the Zionists in their quest to full fill a prophecy that has no meaning in reality.
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| Monday, November 19, 2012 - 05:24 pm At risk of starting you off again Nix: Hamas is a militant terrorist organisation. Their main man was a legitimate target because Isreal have good reason to believe he planned and instigated random attacks on Isreal. Hamas are determined to deny any chance of a rational agreement. In fact, another bunch of them was killed today as they met for more planning. Good, I say. Israel may not be innocent and holier than thou by a long way, but Hamas...no way. Of course it is lamentable that innocents are involved, they always are, collateral damage is it called? But you have to ask yourself, how many died in WW2 when we levelled Dresden and such. The allies did what they had to to stop the fascist threat, were we wrong to do that? Elimate Hamas and violence backed demands, then the arab world has a chance to work things out. Lets face it, they aren't going to beat Israel. Did you know Israel has a larger military than the UK, Germany and France combined.
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| Monday, November 19, 2012 - 05:30 pm A militant organisation within a military controlled land enforced by anothers militant state? I recon you would have been a Nazi sympathiser Crafty. Just rolled over and said 'yes sir'
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| Monday, November 19, 2012 - 06:23 pm Sky news (for what its worth) are now calling them muslim jihadists. I reckon you are Drew are in league. Terrorist sympathisers. Honestly Nix, I know no way out of this, and no, I dont like the carry on by Israel, the way they will get their own way. But I like militant jihadists even less. Whatever was put on the table would be turned down, they just want war on America and its allies. If you had a solution, you would deserve a noble Nix. The lesser of two evils is have the antagonist eliminated imo. Conceed to terrorists? Everyone has declared they wont deal with terrorists, no matter what the costs.
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| Monday, November 19, 2012 - 08:21 pm nix is an idiot who returns to this issue time and again. He is a hate bully and his opinions are the most stupid ones you can find on this forum. He would love to have all the Israelis dead and all Jews too. Talking about the Zionists is the way of Anti-Semites to refer to Jews these days. You can't say Jews so you say Zionists. Much to his regret, the Israelis are doing great work. They succeeded in destroying nearly 1500 targets without killing a huge numbers of civilians. Unfortunately, 30 civilians died in this action so far. Every dead civilian is one too many and the Israelis repeated many times they try to avoid it. Moreover, they are spreading millions of copies of messages on paper over the Gaza strip asking civilians to stay away from locations where missiles are launched or stored. They send text messages to people in houses where the Hamas has offices warning them to leave. Schools are used by the Hamas to store weapons and several attacks have taken place at night when the schools are empty. There is no army in the world who ever done this before except for the Israeli army in previous wars. The Hamas leadership sits in bunkers under two hospitals because they know that the hospitals will not be attacked. They shoot their missiles from densely built areas to provoke counter attacks and have their own people die. This is good for their PR. Hamas is doing nothing but targeting civilians and they are dancing in the streets when an Israeli kid has been killed (so does nix most probably). This is ongoing for 12 years and they will not stop they say, until Israel is destroyed. Luckily for Israel, the Iron Dome system is intercepting nearly 90% of the missiles that are expected to land in populated areas. More of these systems are being built, one was installed two days ago, and they prevented many dead and wounded. (Tough luck Mr. Idiot). These are the facts. Hamas is guilty of crimes against humanity in two ways. 1. They explicitly target civilians. This is their claimed target. Kill many Israelis. 2. They launch attacks from populated areas. They are increasingly paying with their lives for these crimes and their leaders who do not believe in the 70 virgins story, live in holes in the ground but are killed in increasing numbers. If you want to stop terror, kill the leaders. They really do not want to die. Nazrullah (another friend of our Mr. idiot), from the Hezbollah in Lebanon sits underground for 6 years now and did not fire a single missile, not in the last 6 years and not now, to help his friends.
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| Monday, November 19, 2012 - 08:27 pm Revelation 3:9 I will make those who are of the synagogue of Satan, who claim to be Jews though they are not, but are liars�I will make them come and fall down at your feet and acknowledge that I have loved you. Quote from cutting edge.com: 'However, there remains one possibility before Israel gets to fighting her prophetic wars. It is possible that the United Nations might step in to claim her right of sovereignty over Jerusalem and post a strong international peacekeeping force in the city that would keep Jews and Palestinians apart. What sovereignty, you might ask, does the United Nations have over Jerusalem? Most people do not realize that Israel has long ago ceded control of Jerusalem to the United Nations, an international sovereignty that may be declared to prevent an all-out war and to build that "combination Temple/Church/Mosque" building called for in the New Jerusalem Covenant Project.' Cutting Edge Ministries � �In accordance with the "New Jerusalem Covenant Plan", Israel has conceded control of Jerusalem and her holy places before negotiations with the Palestinians even begin! The Rothschild's 500 million franc purchase of the Temple Mount and several thousand surrounding acres may be about to be brought into public view; however, great war will instantly break out when Muslims realize that the Illuminati controls the entire area!� I'm sure the Illuminati believe in the Anti-Christ?
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| Monday, November 19, 2012 - 11:56 pm well i see my statement mysteriously disappeared. I guess this is a one sided forum. lol
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| Tuesday, November 20, 2012 - 12:20 am My mistake i posted in another room like this one. my apologies Andy.
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| Tuesday, November 20, 2012 - 12:36 am duh Shave... Schadenfreude
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| Tuesday, November 20, 2012 - 01:18 am it'll be better (or will be) to let sleeping dogs lie before anyone else inflames any kind of misdirected speech reguarding anything in real life before it starts to get out of hand, no one needs to get banned for any outspoken wit or comments! LET it lie and keep your thoughts to oneself!
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| Tuesday, November 20, 2012 - 03:26 am Romeo. Monday morning 90 Gazans Dead, hundreds if not getting on to the thousand wounded. 3 Israeli Dead 0 wounded. Only God knows what it really is in Gaza due to the collapsed buildings and the chaos. If a occupying force removes you from your land by force and puts you in a prison camp where they control your every move. Would you not resist? How many Jews revolted in the prison camps of the Nazi's? If they could have built bombs do you think they would have used them? If they could have killed a guard do you think they would have done so? If there was any chance of defeating the The Germans do you think they would have taken it? There seems to be a problem with the Gazans tactics as-well. You talk about their leaders going underground. What happens to the President when a state of war is declared? Does he stroll around the gardens of the white house or does he get on board AirForce One and be kept safe? Plus when the occupying force kills whole families in one strike and 100's of children without a blink of a eye. Knowing that every citizen of that occupied force is a soldier at a minutes notice who will come and kill your children, why would you think about where your home made rocket is going to end up as long as it hits something? Especially when you know it is more than likely going to end up in a field or blow up in your face? And as for the seemingly daft question on why Hamas do not come out into the open and all stand in a line with their middle fingers held high shouting 'Come and have a go if you think your hard enough' at the Zionists is because they will all be killed by the drones and F16's. Again it seems like you expect them to just roll over and accept whats happening to them? Don't you think they would love to have F16's, Drones and Battleships with cruse missiles to fight a open battle and pound the Army and leaders of Israel away from their children and Families? Remember David and Goliath? Can't you see that its like saying that David should have had his sling shot taken off him and accepted his demise.
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| Tuesday, November 20, 2012 - 04:06 am I would resist. I wouldn't be an asshole that tries to kill as many innocents as I can, while maximising the number of innocents my dickery can endanger. Hamas gets and deserves no pity or sympathy. The Palestinian people, however, do and every bit as much as the Israeli people. It is human lives we are talking about. And those who have shown an utter disregard for it have been Hamas's soldiers. For that reason, they are terrorists.
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| Tuesday, November 20, 2012 - 06:01 pm There are 90 or by now even 100 dead. Most of them are Hamas terrorists killed while launching missiles. I would prefer their leaders to die, who have sent them to these missions but they have to stop them from launching. I wonder where Nix was while the Syrians are slaughtering children, women and everyone else for nearly two years, more than 50.000 but we will not know how many. Every day, including today, yesterday etc. hundreds of Syrians are dying. Many thousands more Syrians have died in the past two years than Palestinians in the last 100 years of conflict. I have never seen any message from you about this. You don't care at all about these children in Gaza. You just hate Jews. Go away. You are too stupid for this game anyway. I will copy your texts and mail them to Simcountry. They have always removed bigots, Nazis and other scum. The Israelis say it time and time again that every civilian in Gaza who dies in this conflict is a grave error and consider it a disaster. In the mean time, Israelis are running around in Arab villages and cities within Israel, Jerusalem, Jaffa and the entire south to inform the Arab citizens of Israel on how to protect themselves, they have built many shelters and prevented civilians from being hurt from these missiles. Mr. Idiot: You are the Scum of the earth. This conflict will be over, the day Palestinians and all arab countries will truly accept Israel's right to exit within secure borders. Most Israelis will agree to go back to the borders of 67 with some exchanges of land if they will be sure that the war is over. They have left Gaza long time ago and the Hamas is talking about the occupyer. They mean that Tel Aviv is occupied and the rest of Israel proper. they want Israel to disappear. not going to happen and Jerusalem will remain its capital. peace with Egypt and Jordan happened when they woke up to realize that Israel is not going to disappear. Now the Palestinians should wake up to realize the same. they will find a willing partner in Israel who will support them in building their country.
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| Tuesday, November 20, 2012 - 06:33 pm 'This conflict will be over, the day Palestinians and all arab countries will truly accept Israel's right to exit within secure borders. Most Israelis will agree to go back to the borders of 67 with some exchanges of land if they will be sure that the war is over.' I say this conflict will be over when the illegal settlements stop, the blockade is lifted, Palestinians are free to go from Gaza to the West bank and Israel goes back to 67 borders. Then if the Palestinians still attack, you have the right to call it self defence. Even though the Zionists broke all the rules of the Jews settlement in The Holy Land, so really the Jewish people should be just a part of the Holy Land community and not a separate land. As for the Arab spring I am disgusted that America, Europe and Israel not only allowed the Muslim Brotherhood to get away with it, but also helped them for their own interest of the Petro-dollar. But civil war is civil war. Syrians killing Syrians. Heart breaking but their own doing. They are not being killed by a occupying force that has removed them from their land, caged them in who makes life hell for them and then will not tolerate their resistance. But as I said.......there is a bigger picture going on here and we are all guilty of not upholding our duty as Guardians for the innocent by not seeking the truth and stopping those who have lost touch with reality and who choose to create chaos and death so they can then bring in order under their terms. Zionists are not Jews as Al-Qa'ida are not Muslims. They are the embodiment of the Anti-Christ here to divide and conquer through exclusion, fear and hate.
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| Tuesday, November 20, 2012 - 07:05 pm Hi Romeo. Long time no see. If I recall correctly, Nix worships trees, so it is completely understandable, if this is the same Nix of days old. :P Ha ha ha ha I remember those old posts. Sowwy, Nixer. I'm just out for giggles here, no insult intended.
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| Tuesday, November 20, 2012 - 07:23 pm Your kool Plus sorry all for being ignorant. As a father seeing the calculated maiming and slaughter of children hurts me more than ever. So Helloa my fellow SimCountry peeps Crafty, Laguna, Jiang, kiss, wilhelm and yes even you shave and Romeo I hope you are all well.
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| Tuesday, November 20, 2012 - 08:05 pm Hey Nixer! I'm doing well, thank you. Great to see you posting. I hate the killing of children too, anyone with a heart would. Sadly there is evil in the world and even bad things happen to innocent children. Their pain and suffering may be here on earth, but their reward will be in the after life, if you are a believer. It is this belief that sees me through life's tragedies and pains.
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| Wednesday, November 21, 2012 - 02:02 am ok even getting past all of the religious ramifications of this conflict. Nix you act as though the Israelis are baby bombing or something. as though they are hunting innocent people to bomb. they are at war with a group of people who have sworn to wipe Israel off the map, no matter the cost. If Mexico made that threat to the US! it would no longer exist. they...the Muslim terrorist organizations, in this case Hamas, a subsidiary of the Muslim Brotherhood. have strapped countless bombs to themselves and blown them selves and countless innocent bystanders up. but boo hoo for the poor terrorists that frankly would murder you in a heartbeat simply because you do not hold to their ideology. as a tree worshiper your head would be severed from your body if they ever got the opportunity. they would murder you and your whole family in cold blood if it came down to it. these people are not only dangerous to Israel, they are dangerous to the whole world. and frankly when elections were held the Palestinians, or so called, helped to put them in power. so i don't see where they could be innocent either. yes its a shame that children are losing their lives. but ill tell you what is really a shame. that those same children you are crying over will grow up to the ripe age of 7 or 8 and will have a rifle put in their hands and will be told to murder the first Jew or christian they come across. and don't be fooled my sympathetic friend. its just a matter of time before they get to the tree people too.
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| Wednesday, November 21, 2012 - 02:15 am and one other thing! Remember David and Goliath? Can't you see that its like saying that David should have had his sling shot taken off him and accepted his demise. hamas is hardly David here! Israel is surrounded on all sides by those who want her destroyed! hamas is and has been funded and trained by both Iran, and Syria, who are both Backed by Russia and China. Hamas is just a decoy being used by the muslim brotherhood, Iran, and Syria to draw the attention of the international community while they do their thing. hamas is Iran's way of fighting Israel without having to go directly to war, because Iran knows it will lose. and why does Iran want war with Israel, TO WIPE ISRAEL OFF THE MAP! just as that nut ama-dingleberry has threatened to do so many times, after denying the existence of the Holocaust.
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| Tuesday, July 15, 2014 - 11:21 pm RIP GAZA
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| Wednesday, July 16, 2014 - 02:07 am They brought it upon themselves, Israel is always attacked, fired upon; and then the Gazans complain about Israel firing back, I call that blatant hipocrisy. The recent cease-fire plan? Accepted by Israel, REJECTED by Hamas. How does that work?? Ridiculous. The Partition Plan in 1948? Accepted by the jews, REJECTED by the Arabs, which invaded and got their arses kicked by Israel. 6 Day War? Israel attacked by Egypt, Palestine, Syria; they were all humiliated and beaten back to the outskirts of Damascus and Cairo... and Israelis are to blame for the suicidial missions of the Arabs? Arab countries promised to exterminate them and run them out, they couldn't... People should look at both sides of the story rather than at the death toll. They should both co-exist, Arabs and Israelis. People just look for someone to point the finger at, and that seems to be Israel, for no intelligent reason at all.
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| Wednesday, July 16, 2014 - 03:50 am Well, the whole problem with the Mideast lies on the Sykes-Picot agreement, IMO.
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| Wednesday, July 16, 2014 - 04:27 am Right now i'm wishing lenpeat was back. And NO that is not a good thing!
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| Wednesday, July 16, 2014 - 04:33 am Why? All he did was spamming the forum with his nonsensical stories.
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| Wednesday, July 16, 2014 - 05:28 am And how is that different from this? You know, the real world is a nice place but who wants to live in a place like that? (props for whoever geusses where that quote comes from) You guys can argue all you want but this is a game forum... nuff said...
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| Wednesday, July 16, 2014 - 05:58 am I hope you realise this thread is ages old and there is no one arguing anymore........
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| Wednesday, July 16, 2014 - 06:18 am I know.
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| Wednesday, July 16, 2014 - 06:37 am Two I am talking to Blah, usually, posts under someone else's "posts" are a response to that person.
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| Wednesday, July 16, 2014 - 06:40 am Sorry.
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| Wednesday, July 16, 2014 - 08:35 am Well... nix and you reanimated this thread before me :P
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| Wednesday, July 16, 2014 - 02:10 pm blah blah. If I attacked you and took your countries, then encircled your main with all the countries around you so you were under siege and unable to move. Then every day did sneak attacks while telling you to read my post if you want peace then fair enough. You would have a right to resist this thread as you cannot walk away from it. But as there is nothing making you click on it apart from your own curiosity then I have to say this. DONT CLICK ON IT IF YOU DONT WANT TO SEE IT LOL Aussteigen......You should look at the whole story. The whole World has told the Zionists to stop persecuting, killing and building settlements on Palestinian land. But they refuse to do so. This last seize fire agreement brokered by Egypt, another country and Israel, with the USA in the back ground, did not even include Hamas at the table....what kind of a seize fire is that LOL Get some understanding on what is right and wrong and then come back to me. Hi Anthony. The whole problem is the Zionist. For if they had not gone on a holy war then the Jews, Christians and Palestinians would have been given the time to become one family as it was in the beginning. The UK brokered a agreement with the Muslims that over time a trickle of Jews would arrive in Israel and assimilate themselves into the land. Unfortunately the Zionists with American illegal support flooded Israel with Jews and when the UK tried to stop it....the Zionists attacked UK forces and started a gorilla war with the UK. And now we have a Zionist army so advanced that it can full-fill any task asked of it.....including taking Jerusalem, destroying Palestine and starting the End of Days....Those crazy S-O-B's LOL Nix001....War&Hardcore.....Mother Nature Cryz
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| Wednesday, July 16, 2014 - 02:53 pm I wrote a poem NOT ON MY WATCH How can they kill innocence in the name of their peace, when their peace has been built on the blood of the innocence. They talk of their rights as the chosen people of God while cutting down children to get their hands on some sod. They tell us our place as their servants on Earth, Yet it goes over your heads like a wave in the surf. So you play your part in their oppression through ignorance, even though if you look you will see all the evidence. But are you to blame for the part that you play, even though in law your as guilty as day. For if you don't stop the wrong in all that you see, in the words of the righteous you will never be free. At the end of the day, its your soul on the line. It is your choice to say that everything is just fine. And though you will know what you know to be true, with doing nothing at all your sun will turn blue. You will loose what it means to have good on your side. And when judgement day comes you'll run and you'll hide. You will beg for mercy saying I didn't know, but deep in your heart you know you help sow. Those seeds of destruction for your children and theirs, but still you'll make excuses like no one else cared. But that will not help you when your judgement day comes. You will feel the pain of those murdered by scum. So do yourself a favour and look all around, then do what you can and all will be sound. For we are the guardians of the future to be. And it is up to us to make sure that they will be free. (If any one was wondering what sod is, its soil) ~ Nxxxxxxs Sxxxxxr
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| Wednesday, July 16, 2014 - 06:24 pm @ nix There are rules on most game forums about posts like yours. It's just a shame that this forum doesn't have any rules at all. So post away and say what you want to say I'm done with this thread and the others with this topic.
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| Thursday, July 17, 2014 - 02:06 am @nix Call me T.Wo.
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| Thursday, July 17, 2014 - 08:48 pm blah blah...Sim county is not just any game....it is an experiment of reactions. That is why the Chinese were/did use the programming as a part of their Eden project. But I respect the GM and all their players. So if you explain to me why I upset you and after I defend myself it becomes clear that I have a flaw in my approach I will say thank-you and change it. Deal? Anthony mate...due to circumstances out of my control I advise no contact by any player by Private message to me (explained in my As Guardians thread) Plus all words that need to be said, if pure and from the heart, should be said here If U are out of order the GM and players will put you in your place
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| Thursday, July 17, 2014 - 09:16 pm Aussi.....from what I can gather u are a name changer...so I am not sure who u are. But to reply to a comment 'RIP GAZA' under the title STOP KILLING THE CHILDREN with 'They brought it upon themselves' to me shows no humanity in your soul. Only Demons have no humanity in their souls??? Have I found my enemy?...now I know since my last great battle the flaw in the system (using C3's as a unit, I bow down to my Queen of Battle) has been made hard to do LOL and also over these many moons since the last great battle I have only fought 3 C3's and a hand full of minions. But I know with the humanity invested in me I will defeat U like I have defeated those that have stood before U. On this day Aussi how do you plead to the accusation of being a demon? LOL as if a Demon would tell the truth ;)
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| Thursday, July 17, 2014 - 09:48 pm Dam it.....If I can't believe him then I have to make my own mind up....I swear I just make problems for myself LOL Ok.....But who am I to judge those by only their word??? Words are cheap.... Dam it I can't believe I can't get to Jerusalem and cus these guys for causing me a headache by not giving a F#@K about Mother Nature....They would be all quite happy to see her Burn!!!.....S-O-B&B's LOL S-O-B&B's...it was mean't to be Sons of Bitches and Bastards.... but what have the Jews been doing for 4000 years?? B&B...Bed and Breakfast.....they, for 4000 years have never felt at home..... The Jew is the chosen one's because they need gods help to feel free. But their freedom is not Gods freedom....the pain is so unbearable that their freedom has become personal...which is not Gods freedom. Gods freedom is for all...not one. We cannot blame the actions of a abused people. But we also cannot let the actions of a abused people divide us and take us to war. We cannot let their pain destroy our hope....We are Guardians and all actions that de-stabilises the status Quu of peace should be dealt with. Regardless if we feel like we would do the same thing...Its not about we, us or I...Its about our children. We fight for Peace...We fight for them.
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| Thursday, July 17, 2014 - 09:56 pm Why should our Children feel the pain of a people who are hurting from something that happened 4000 years ago....My granddad nearly got killed by the Germans...I was lucky...yet many were not and yet we still live in peace because we Learn't from Jesus that forgiveness gives peace a chance. And we have peace. Even though the pain is only 70/100 years on. But whats going on today is a pain 4000 years on.....See....they just can't forgive I know people like that and they just end up sad and lonely. LOL Ok I'm sad and lonely because I can't forgive everyone around me who is not caring about Mother Nature because they have been swept up in life by life. I am a lone soldier because I WILL BREAK YOUR BALLS LOL
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| Friday, July 18, 2014 - 02:35 pm Stop putting Palestinian kids in the line of fire. Build shelter instead missiles and make sure the kids are safe, and their parents too. Also, don't shoot at Israeli kids. They do have shelters and they keep them inside, and Iron dome does its work, but they are targeted, and some are hurt.
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| Friday, July 18, 2014 - 02:35 pm Nix, You are an idiot and an anti-Semite. We all know it by now and from previous rounds when you made this clear. You must have many reasons. Did you get it at home from your parents? Mostly, anti Semites are low IQ imbeciles. Israel is doing everything possible to prevent civilian casualties. Ever heard of an army calling people to tell them that they might be hurt and asks them to leave the area, sending SMS messages and spreading leaflets? Then knocking on the root with a mini missile? They even call the families of their commanders, allowing them to save their own lives, as they are not interested in killing Palestinians. Hamas is shooting missiles, for 14 years. They aim the all the cities in Israel with one aim: To kill people. They hide behind civilians and prevent them from leaving as they need a human shield. Hamas only chance to win support is by having many dead Palestinians. They have no respect for human life. Now, for the first time, the Arab world, except for the nice guys in Syria and Iran, calls them terrorists. Shooter Friday, July 18, 2014 - 01:48 pm Click here to edit this post Nix our little idiot, You probably have even more reasons to hate the Israelis and the Jews. They developed the iron dome system, the only system that makes it possible to intercept these missiles and a new laser based system is nearly finished. They use it to protect their children. Tough for you, I can imagine. They are also responsible for more patents every year than entire western Europe and more than India and Chine together. Many of the medicines you purchases were developed in Israel, along with many Intel processors on the computer you use to publish your nonsense. Turn it off now, it is based on Israeli development at Intel Israel where there are 7000 engineers working on the next one as we speak. You friends in the Gaza strip, are specialized in killing, amputating, beating and raping anything that moves. They are a cruel bunch that keeps millions under siege for many years in the name of Allah in a twisted interpretation of Islam.
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| Friday, July 18, 2014 - 02:43 pm There we go again.....A complete denial of Zionist actions which have caused this re-action. Stop building settlements and remove all illegal settlements...stop undermining the Dome of the Rock and the sanctity of Jerusalem and then if Hamas fires at the Zionists then, the World will have sympathy. Until those demands that the world ask are met then the Zionists are the ones in the wrong..... LOL patents. All these patents have been stolen from humanity so don't give me that. Shooter until people like u put your brains into gear and remove the blinkers there will always be a place for the Demons. Get a grip. Don't get me wrong. I understand Islam is a threat to the world due to the movement of peoples around the world. In the Koran it states that a Muslim is not a Muslim if they do not live under Shari Law. This is causing many problems for the worlds Muslims who live not under Shari Law. For they become impelled to change the society they live under to one of Shari law. But many Muslims in these non Islamic countries are becoming enlightened to the true meaning of Life like the Jew had become when they lived in others lands. But they have now been called to holy war against the Zionist and they too have gone back to the dark side. This is why I am so pissed off with the Zionists for they are forcing the hand of time. And all that does is change the out come of how it is meant to be. I am sorry if I have offended you...But I am at war. My mission......to get in the middle and point out that their war is distracting the people of the Earth in their responsibility's to protect Mother Nature. Everyone is so caught up in their own bull s#@t that they do not even think about about her anymore...let alone protect her. I have learnt over my years of battle to know thy enemy's before jumping into the middle of their fights...which means unless U search deeper into your soul than you have gone before U will never be able to tell me something that I do not already know.
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| Friday, July 18, 2014 - 07:46 pm Nix nix nix
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| Saturday, July 19, 2014 - 01:18 pm Nix, you have no idea of what is going on there. The Egyptians do and they put the Moslim brotherhood in jail. Hamas is part of it and the Arab world now recognizes the danger. Hamas is with Isis and many Arabs see the danger and even some Europeans. I am against settlements but this has nothing to do with settlements. Hamas clearly declared they want entire Israel and do not agree to any two state or any solution. Just an Islamic state. There is nothing to talk to them about. The only language they use is terror. But stay assured. Hamas is part of an extreme movement that want to destroy Israel first but hates Christianity and all other religions as well. listen to what they say. They will kill all Christians and destroy everyone until the world submits to their will. Israel successfully resists them but it is not sure others can. Bethlehem used to be Christian. Extreme Islam is pushing them out by intimidation, murder and rape. Year by year they are fleeing and they are now a minority. Their best years where when Israel was in control and made sure nothing happened. In the past years, Israel retreated. Bethlehem is governed by the Palestinians and these Christians are now exposed to cruelty. But Europe is on the line and the US will follow. This is a fanatic movement that does not accept any tolerance and will kill people all over the world. Blame Israel as much as you want. What I hope is they will be able to block this part of fanatic Islam and delay their shift to Europe. I wander why you have nothing to say about the curds, 30 millions, who suffer from all the cruelty mentioned above, in Syria, Turkey, Irak, and no one in the world cares about their fate.
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| Saturday, July 19, 2014 - 01:20 pm Also, get you facts right. The Dome of the rock and all other religious places in Jerusalem are open to everyone and the Islamic places are guarded by Arab guards. These places became open for everyone in 1967. Before, under Jordan, they were not, even that in 1948 agreements they promised to keep them open. Israel is helping financially in the management of these places, pays for on going cost and makes sure millions of tourists can get there and keep the Arab economy going.
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| Saturday, July 19, 2014 - 01:21 pm During the last years, and also in the last two weeks, more than 150 trucks move food, medicine and other materials from Israel to the Gaza strip every day. (No materials to build tunnels). water supplies and electricity also come from Israel. When in history did a country in war, supplied the enemy with food, water and electricity and also warned them in advance exactly where and when they will attack. the point is, Israelis don't see Palestinian civilians as their enemy. Many are brought to Israeli hospitals. Even now, and they are brought to shelters when the alarm rings. You are full of shit and hate. You are blind for the fact and you support a bunch of murderers that will not stop before they kill you too. When Israel left the Gaza strip, they left complete installations, glass houses, where thousands of Palestinians worked for Israeli companies before they left. One week after they left, Hamas and friends, destroyed and burned everything to the ground. Guess who lost their jobs. When Hamas took power in Gaza, after fighting the PLO, the cut both legs of 500 PLO members. Search for this if you do not believe. This is what they do to their own brothers.
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| Saturday, July 19, 2014 - 01:25 pm I cant believe the GM is contributing to this debate. Bad move andy. I seen the name change from Andy to Shooter. How many names do you have romeo vicardi, shooter any more? Cant believe the GM would be insulting its paying members calling them idiots.
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| Saturday, July 19, 2014 - 01:29 pm Europe at threat from Hamas is just pure propaganda.
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| Saturday, July 19, 2014 - 02:40 pm Once again the simcountry forum fails... I don't really care if Andy or any other mod is passionate about this and wants to 'talk' about this topic. Topics like this should be closed before they reach this point. For the love of the forum, please mod close these kind of threads. It will help forum activity if there is actually a policy being implemented. At this point we are not expecting much but every little bit helps.
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| Saturday, July 19, 2014 - 04:31 pm Reached what point ..... I'm enjoying it and learning a little bit about a topic I am quite ignorant about.... Sure nix and shooter aren't experts I imagine but it's sill good to get some points of view...... Makes me lol that Andy changed his name I wouldn't mind if he came and argued with his real name though
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| Saturday, July 19, 2014 - 07:11 pm I mind. Read the tone in shooter/andy's posts. It's absolutely vile. I don't want to hear what the GM thinks of his members. He should keep his politics to himself aswell. Buisness and politics is a no no.
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| Saturday, July 19, 2014 - 07:16 pm It's good that you are interested Jackwagen. Knowlegd is power. But there are other places for 'discussions' like this. But I really doubt a mod is going to intervene. They don't give a rats ass about this forum.
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| Saturday, July 19, 2014 - 08:35 pm Shooter I do not mean to sound dis-respectful but all U are saying is the Zionists are taking Palestinian and Christians Lands, lives and homes, but it's ok because the Zionists then help them afterwards? Grow up....You sound like a school yard bully with a guilty conscience LOL Blah Blah black sheep have you any wool? For the wool the Zionists have pulled over your eyes is starting to get holes in it ;) Shooter are you a Zionist may I ask?
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| Saturday, July 19, 2014 - 09:36 pm Nix.. of course Shooter is a "Zionist" that has been made crystal clear for all to see! As for hamas, I believe the organization known as Hamas only wants to build a better Nation for their people, the only problem i have is the methods they use from time to time in achieving that goal, i support any movement in removing the snakes that currently occupy Al Quds. My only hope is that in my lifetime, i get to see The State of palestine live in peace.
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| Saturday, July 19, 2014 - 11:16 pm Some people are just to ignorant to realise that they are ignorant. Sigh...
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| Sunday, July 20, 2014 - 09:19 am Ok, now you will all hate me. I am with shooter on this, no matter who he is thot to be. I am pro-Israel by choice; I am not of the chosen people, but I support them. Hamas is a terrorist organization that should be exterminated as long as they keep on with their hideous ways. Call me a zionist, i dont give a sh!t.Israel is a bastion of democracy in a sea of dictators and terrorists, and must survive. They bend over backward to not offend the international opiniion (as if that actually matters). Death to terrorists of any stripe, enough is enough!
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| Sunday, July 20, 2014 - 05:27 pm Israel is NOT a democracy. They are an apartheid regime that thrives off of division. And The founding of Hamas can be traced back to the Israeli government. Much like Al Quada(spelling error) and the CIA. They created Hamas so they wouldnt have to agree to any ceasefire and they could take over gaza and whats left of Palestine. Its all Imperialism, and its bad for you. Too bad its the children and the innocents that will suffer.
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| Sunday, July 20, 2014 - 05:32 pm Here everyone who supports Israel. read this http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article10456.htm
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| Sunday, July 20, 2014 - 06:46 pm If Israel keeps pushing settlements into Palestine, where are the Palestinians supposed to go...? Just a simple question really. Not argumentative, not being anti "Zionist" etc.. I'm really asking.
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| Sunday, July 20, 2014 - 07:22 pm Gaz this isn't just some regular game..... It's special
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| Monday, July 21, 2014 - 07:24 am It's been two days now that Gaz made a very serious allegation Andy and I would expect some kind of reaction from the GM. I'd like to know if you are Shooter and, if you are, why (the why goes to everything). Thanks.
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| Monday, July 21, 2014 - 08:41 am I am Pro-Israel for more than obvious reasons but also because I analyse both stories, both backgrounds. Right now Israel is winning back the media, that is good. All those who argue that Israel is placing settlements and they are illegal... I don't see them doing anything harmful... On the contrary, they move professionals to the frontier and the Palestinians aren't being forced anywhere, or they can move to the other 3 Arab countries bordering Israel. Or to other, numerous Arab countries surrounding the OTHER 3 I mentioned, instead of trying to keep a failed state alive by using force, through a terrorist organisation.... I agree with Maclean, they are not just a bastion of democracy, but a bastion of progress in a Middle East holed up in violence, backward customs promoted by Islamic Governments and most of all intolerance for minorities and people who don't think like they do or follow the Quran (in Islamic States, not the entire Arab World...). I don't think they created Hamas, its absurd... If they'd want to invade the Gaza Strip they could do it and annex it with or without Hamas... The Palestinians are better off as Israeli citizens anyway and all of you know it. Oh yes, and the current infrastructure in Gaza is supplied by Israel, electricity, water... etc. If I were Israel I would cut it off those terrorists, but thats just me, Israel is being rather soft to an enemy threatening its territorial integrity and national security. I would like to see a peaceful end to this, a Federal State perhaps. If Palestine ends up being independent or not, it will be economically supported by Israel, always. Christians are doing fine in Israel, I assure you... Only issues with safety that can actually threaten your life in Israel is terrorist bombers, FROM Hamas or Hezbolla. Israel is the front line to a growing flood of extremist muslims currently flowing into Europe. Is it me or is this a Europeans vs Americans thread? I despise anti-semites, Shooter so far is right, Andy or not. The Dome of the Rock is safer under Israel than it ever was under any arab country.... Israel prohibits Jews from entering the mount where the Dome is located, I hope that leaves that clear and doesn't appear later on in this argument. If there are occasional clashes with police its because Palestinian Arabs... Throw rocks around because they are unhappy about Palestine. There are extremists and nationalists in every country, that is wrong, but this problem was brought upon by the Arab World, not Israel, what a way to kick someone while they're down, fresh out of the holocaust, and the arabs (Egypt, Iraq, Jordan and Syria) try and unsuccessfully gangbang the newly created Israel, ridiculous. The Israelites are strong. Nix please explain to me why the Arabs and Palestinians (more specifically) rejected the UN Partition Plan of 1947-1948? *sigh* Together, a Palestine-Israel State would be very rich and would certainly move other Arab countries to progress too.
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| Monday, July 21, 2014 - 01:37 pm So you admit you want to see a mass exodus of Arabs from Palestine or maybe an Israeli facilitated relocation of Arabs? You said they should move to another Arab nation. Your words. They lived there for about 1900 years. They should move?
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| Monday, July 21, 2014 - 02:24 pm Sure. They could pack their Mercedes SUVs and go to Gstaadt for the summer. It's so cool there this time of the year. No snow though.
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| Monday, July 21, 2014 - 02:48 pm The term anti Semite is used to stifle debate. You cant say anything against Israel's war crimes or your labelled an anti Semite. Nobody wants that label so they say nothing. It's a very effective way of keeping people quiet. There's no denying there commiting war crimes, but whilst they control America nobody can stop them. Israel is systematically wiping the Palestinians out. To the point where they got them fenced in like animals. But its alright Israel supplies them with water and electricity. That's nice of them after they've stolen there land and destroyed there livelyhooods. No doubt they'd love to cut off the water etc but that would cause an international shitstorm. See it's ok to blow people up but to starve them to death is a different story. Crazy world we live in. The Palestinians have every right to resist there own extermination.
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| Monday, July 21, 2014 - 07:35 pm and so do the jews, for several thousand years, they've been beatn, insulted, and treated poorly. I can only think of one other culture, the Gypsies, that has survived with out a traditional home land. In America, the native Americans are slowly loosing their own culture, even thou they've been given reservations. I admire the jews ability to be jews, no matter what, it is an amazing attribute. many people have high lighted the facts above, its not just a question of IF the situation was reversed, the Arabs would be meaner to the Jews, when it was, they where. It was pointed out above, that all this martyr syndrome of the Arabs, only disguises their own vicious agenda. And the Europeans don't really have a history that gives them any room to judge. Neither do the Americans, for that matter.
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| Monday, July 21, 2014 - 07:47 pm I suppose Israel should just sit idly by while rockets are flung into their territory? I'm pretty sure any other sovereign nation would respond. Its Hamas and only Hamas, they had the option to begin building the nucleus of a state when Israel withdrew from Gaza in 2005 but they decided to turn it into one big rocket factory...
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| Monday, July 21, 2014 - 08:12 pm But there not facing extermination are they? They have the 4th biggest army on the planet. All with high tech U.S weaponry. Not to mention 100's of nukes. Plus the backing of the united states. Nobody can touch them. Having been persecuted for thousands of years doesn't give them the right to then go the same to others does it? If anything you'd think they be more sympathetic to persecution that anyone. But no there doing the exact same thing that was done to them. If's but and maybe's. The facts are it's the Israel's doing this to the Palestinian Arabs. Killing by either side is a crime but there needs to be some perspective.
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| Monday, July 21, 2014 - 08:13 pm No Khome, I said that moving to the other ethnical and culturally similar Arab countries bordering Israel is always an option "or they can move...". And the Jews have lived there for 3000+ years? Why should the Jews have to deal with them, when they as a people have survided oppression in their own homeland from Ancients, Romans, Arabs and later expelled to Europe and elsewhere abroad? And now that they finally had a humble strip of land in Palestine, several thousand years later, were attacked by four other countries? I am not saying to bring down the Dome of the Rock and build a Third Temple, I am pointing out how unfair this is, considering how the Israelis have so much respect for the diverse and culturally significant sites in Jerusalem, respect lacking in former entities that have controlled the city and area in the past. But why do you and your group keep avoiding the 1948 UN Solution question? Is it too hard to admit the Palestinians and surrounding Arabs caused the conflict that today has reduced the Palestinian Territory from what was agreed to by the world (and rejected by the arabs, including Palestine), to the current Gaza Strip and (Israeli) West Bank? What Orbiter has pointed out is a highlight. I don't hear Germans complaining about how their territory was reduced to what it is today (or launching rockets to France over Alsace-Lorraine or to Poland over Silesia so they can get it back), because it was us the contributors and starters of the conflicts that brought us consequences in defeat. The Palestinians should accept defeat in a conflict they started (eliminate Hamas) and live in Peace once and for all. The Palestinians aren't being exterminated, that is absurd.
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| Monday, July 21, 2014 - 08:25 pm Gaz, the jews have a history of being on the wrong side of an extermination war. it wasn't right then, but it never caused the world to come to their aid. now that they are on the giving end, they are again, receiving the same treatment, it just that this time, the anti-Semites, can't burn their houses, and steal their resources, and they are rather butt-hurt about that
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| Monday, July 21, 2014 - 08:45 pm when Popeye downs a can of spinach, and clocks Bluto, no one says "poor Bluto," unless ofcourse Popeye is a Jew.
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| Monday, July 21, 2014 - 09:04 pm now i don't mean to say that genocide is good, either way. how ever, their is a saying "Those that fail to remember the past, are doomed to repeat it" The jews have been the targets of more racial hate, from more directions, that any surviving culture you can mention. even now, when the Arabs have the opportunity, its clear they don't want to co-exist, and it takes a minor miracle for them to agree to anything that leaves Israel in a stronger position. frankly, i don't see the Israelites as having much of a choice here, with their backs to the wall, and the WW2 holocaust as an event from the modern world history
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| Monday, July 21, 2014 - 10:41 pm No one said they were facing extermination but what country with the ability to respond would tolerate missile attacks? And I think Israel needs all the high-tech US weaponry cause if they didn't it'd be open season on them.
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| Monday, July 21, 2014 - 10:43 pm I know the saying Josias. Meaning if we don't arm ourselves we'll have done to us what was done before. But now there dishing it out, it's ok. Ever asked yourself why the Jews where hated wherever they went? Are people just bigoted and hate others for no reason. I don't, So I looked into why. Boy did that open a can of worms. For my own sanity I'm withdrawing from this thread.
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| Monday, July 21, 2014 - 10:54 pm good enough Gaz,
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| Monday, July 21, 2014 - 10:54 pm I said there facing extermination. People don't like that word but it's where it's heading. Prob take a while to kill a few million but they'll get the job done eventually.
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| Monday, July 21, 2014 - 11:19 pm dude, you said you where done, i like you, i'd rather not push you, i'm happy with just disagreeing, but i'll tell you what, i'll look into some of the things you said, i just perused a wiki article about jewish history, i know very well how things can be slanted to favor one side or the other, so a simple article isn't enough. i'll read more, in fact, PM a link you'd like me to read, like one at a time
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| Monday, July 21, 2014 - 11:37 pm Don't push me then. I'm sensing a little hostility here so no. Go find it yourself. You wont find it on wiki. I get the impression your not open to any opposing information anyway.
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| Tuesday, July 22, 2014 - 12:14 am Has any of you even been there for God's sake?
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| Wednesday, July 23, 2014 - 02:33 am Christos- lol best answer yet
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| Wednesday, July 23, 2014 - 04:38 am @Christos Probably none :P
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| Wednesday, July 23, 2014 - 03:48 pm Orbiter. The Jews are not the problem. Its the Zionists. The Jews understand the meaning of respect for thy neighbours and all peace on Earth. The Jews did not care where they were settled to create a home Land. It was the Zionists that want to re-claim Jerusalem and open up a 4000 year old wound. It was the Zionists who flooded Palestine with Jews and launching attacks on the British who tried to stop them creating this war. Please Orbiter understand who is the enemy. LB U said 'I suppose Israel should just sit idly by while rockets are flung into their territory?' LB its not their territory. They illegally occupy it and take more illegally every day. Leaving children homeless or some weeks dead. The Zionists need this war so they can full fill the words of a book written thousands of years ago and which does not have relevance today other than the End of Days....Which they have hijacked to suit their own cause...totally ignoring the true meaning of End of Days and that is the beginning of the new Age of Aquarius. The re-birth of the humans conciseness. Not the re-birth of a physical entity in the form of the chosen ones which comes after war. They are crazy. Don't let yourself be fooled for this is one of those things you will have to deal with on your judgement day. For we are the Guardians of the Children and to know children were dying by the hands of Evil and not do anything about it will come back to bite u. Christos. Yes mate. I spend 3 weeks fighting for Mother Nature in the Old City of Jerusalem. I saw first hand the intimidation/segregation and the human tragedy caused by the hands of the Zionist.
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| Thursday, July 24, 2014 - 12:23 am nix, for a person that advocates economic changes that would result in the starvation death of Billions, i find your sympathy toward a specific subgroup, opportunistic
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| Thursday, July 24, 2014 - 03:59 am @ Presidium: Ah, so Israel created Hamas so they could have targets to shoot at, and they keep funding Hamas so the y can have an enemy to rail at and rally against? This sounds just like one of my 'conspiracy theories', but you, apparently, actually believe it. That's like Don King setting up both fighters to take the fall at the same time in the same match. Oh, wait, he did that already. Bad analolgy, It's like you starting up a private muilitia, funding their weapons and training, then telling them, "Go and attack my family and friends, and myself". Utter nonsense. I'd have used this scenario in one of my "conspiracies", but I thot it too far fetched at the time.
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| Thursday, July 24, 2014 - 07:22 am geez really still on this for American basically a proxy war for us hammas is consider a terriost group isreal doing the fighting we stand back and watch and give aid when needed give a lil aid palinsteanian 'oh poor people' but behind the scenes they house hammas so uh yeah Americans looks like by standers and we eliminate a threat without harm to our people and weve done in a few situations for example Libya their government hated on us we called them dictators gave their civiallian weapons let them do the fighting they destroy the 'dictatorship' we win no more Libya government good movie to watch lord of war at the end a enemy is and enemy of someones of an allie that would benefit if they was busy fighting someone else a little off but in the same scenario . is it ruthless yeah is it smart? very smart if your a head of a country am I American ? yeah and do I get it? yeah I get it
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| Thursday, July 24, 2014 - 10:10 pm Orbiter. WTF are U talking about? Getting rid of the opportunistic capitalists would result in Billions being fed. I just think U have realised U have nothing to add to this conversation so U resort to lame distraction LOL Maclean bro check this out.... Thanks to the Mossad, Israel's "Institute for Intelligence and Special Tasks", the Hamas was allowed to reinforce its presence in the occupied territories. Meanwhile, Arafat's Fatah Movement for National Liberation as well as the Palestinian Left were subjected to the most brutal form of repression and intimidation. Let us not forget that it was Israel, which in fact created Hamas. According to Zeev Sternell, historian at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem, "Israel thought that it was a smart ploy to push the Islamists against the Palestinian Liberation Organisation (PLO)". Scorpio....I think I get what your saying but I'm not too sure.....USA funds the rebels in Syria who send arms to ISIS to fight the Iraqi Government who is also funded by the USA LOL...Its not the USA doing this its the Zionists. Like in the American civil war. One Rothschild brother funded the British while another Rothschild brother funded the other-side LOL the list goes on...even Russia and Germany LOL Those sneaky Zionist S-O-B's
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| Friday, July 25, 2014 - 12:22 am your right there nix sorry was having trouble explaining it had a little to much to drink last nite and I got all keyboard happy about the isis that's exactly right kinda screwed our self in the end lol
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| Friday, July 25, 2014 - 08:45 am nix, we've been thru this before, and all i got from you was endless rhetoric, capitalism, socialism, the problem is greed, not a system capping the worlds oils supply would only result in the starvation deaths, of billions, wars after wars, it just wouldn't happen its the tiger by the tail thing. we can't let go, or we and our children die, only so many of us can live in caves with EP, and internet. you advocate such a strong swing that most of us would die, how ever, you choose to show sympathy to one group, that is put out, because another group felt that 6M lost in a few short years was to much.
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| Friday, July 25, 2014 - 01:39 pm Ok everyone ignore Orbiter. Orbiter why are you trying to take this thread else where? If U want to talk to me about this then resurrect the thread in which we discussed it. At the moment the biggest threat to my child's life are the Zionists, ISIS, and all the crazy fools who have mixed up the meaning of End of Days mate.....Your last comment is mad. I do not advocate the killing of innocence and children...regardless of who is killing them...If Environmental groups started exterminating children I would rise against them too. So do not insult me like this mate.
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| Friday, July 25, 2014 - 06:54 pm You can really feel the change in 5.5 years.
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| Friday, July 25, 2014 - 11:36 pm your insulted, so what, you advocate a cave man-ish life style, to "save the planet," the vast majority of people wouldn't survive that. of course you can, segregate your arguments, to look good on each, but when you put them together, its really like you are picking who to care for. my children aren't at all threatened by these groups you mention. the biggest danger to them, is me loosing my job, the government running out of money to pay their Social Security, (they are on SSI because they are special needs,) and people that would take advantage of children, or any one weaker than them selves. ie, godless persons. as it was pointed out, its better for me, for this conflict to continue on the other side of the world, as we've seen, these same people absolutely hate my country, and my way of life. and aren't above killing any non-Muslim. because they aren't muslim, even muslims themselves are in danger of these groups, that will shoot missiles, and blame the pay back on their enemy, it is "Machiavellian," politics. that is create a problem, blame it on your enemy, then look good destroying them. it doesn't matter if they are a small, extreme group, when they are blowing things up.
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| Saturday, July 26, 2014 - 02:46 pm Hi Laguna Orbiter.....U do understand that it is yours and my countries who has caused this by not standing up for good and just letting our leaders do bad things. Whether it be environmental, economic or wars. And like show in history...our chickens will/are coming home to roost. The World has been run into the ground by her Zionist leaders. Soon, if something is not done about it, these Zionist leaders will destroy humanity its self. As you point out, at the moment in your head your biggest threat is not having any money (as 90% of the worlds population) even though the dollar is worthless in reality. Have U ever thought who has created this problem with money? and why the problem exists? I bet your one of those who blame the ones at the bottom of the ladder....like you do with the Gazans...... I can tell your a busy person and in a ideal world Mothers and Fathers should not concern themselves with whats going on outside of their lives. It should be the males who do not have children to work out who the enemy is and defeat them... Unfortunately the enemy is very smart...they have distracted the males with games, drugs, women, fast cars and desire to have the next best thing. Thus leaving those who know and who are fighting very short in numbers to the point where Fathers and Mothers are being forced to spend time working out the truth and acting upon it. Why do you say it is better for you that this conflict to continue on the otherside of the world instead of saying it is better for me this conflict is stopped and the root causes dealt with....ie stopping the USA causing these wars so as to get/keep the militants in the Middle east instead of in the USA. But this strategy is not working...all it is doing is creating the USA 100 million more militants that are no longer under the USA control (as most these militant groups were started and funded by the USA) Are U going to take the mark of the beast Orbiter? U know what it is yea? This micro chip that will be your only way of buying things or going anywhere...and if you cause your Zionist leaders a problem they will just switch it off and thats you toast. Again you are a parent with more to deal with that the average parent...I do not expect you to have a judgement on such a thing...but as guardians of our children's future its these kind of things that, because most males have been put into their place, so are not stopping it, everyone are gonna have to deal with and put a stop to it. Orbiter.....U are aware that the UN have made it quite clear that to ensure our children have a Environment to live in and resources to use, the worlds population either has to be reduced by 80% or we all need to go back to being peasant farmers. So your first comment should not be pointed at me...it should be pointed at the UN and all their professionals who created the report if you don't agree.....come on orbiter resurrect and Environmental thread if you wanna talk....but then again you know the environmental threads already have the information to destroy your arguments ;) U know one of the saddest things I have seen? (not including Gaza) Its 10-12-14 year old girls and boys standing up to our leaders and begging and fighting with them to make the changes....Children should be free from the chaos of the Adult world. They should not be having nightmares about the Adults just letting their world be destroyed...let alone committing their lives at such a young age to try and change us....They are children for F's sake......
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| Sunday, July 27, 2014 - 03:45 am I think both the Hamas and the Jews are asshats. Hamas fights back the best they can and the Jews take the high ground because they have high tech weopons. If the roles were switched the Jews would be the bad guys like they were when they were fighting the English before they were given a state. I could go on but you guys already know the history. In my opinion Hamas has every right to fight its been there land for a very long time i'd fight anyone that came to my house and told me that it was there land and they had just been gown for a thousand years.
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| Sunday, July 27, 2014 - 04:18 am I agree.
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| Sunday, July 27, 2014 - 06:21 am Makes sense to me
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| Sunday, July 27, 2014 - 05:15 pm Also in agreement with Alterd, Supreme, and Khome.
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| Sunday, July 27, 2014 - 11:22 pm people like to throw around all kinds of things about the "mark of the beast," but usually its scare tactics like anything else 666, god created the world in 6 days, on the seventh he rested, 6 is incomplete, it is no rest. "with the sweat of your brow..." the 3 6s represent an incomplete soul, incomplete mind, body, and spirit. its "worshiping the creation, instead of the creator," thinking that you don't need god, because you are strong, pretty, popular, or talented, while not realizing that it all comes from god. and an example of "not being able to buy or sell," you can take a look at the Duck Dynasty thing, the guy supported biblical views on homosexuality, and lost his acting job for it, he got it back, but the point is the same. more and more the world is ostracizing those that hold onto traditional values. its not an obvious thing, even some one that doubts, would refuse an obvious symbol. although science is good at redefining things, shoot, all science has to do to is to call it a fetus, it justify killing babies science has become this worlds religion, but things such as you say about 80%, are easily obfuscated, to come out with any results you want. scientist are as bad as the clergy, with having economic or political motives, rather than pure science... their was a time like 25 years ago, they came out with a study that said potatoes where bad for you, it devastated the potato industry, a few years later, their was a new study that reversed the first. even the "low fat diet," is largely being proven as counter productive, but is butting its head against an economy that has been built for 70 years to accommodate faulty science
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| Monday, July 28, 2014 - 01:27 am @Alterd I agree with you.
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| Monday, July 28, 2014 - 02:55 am Hamas has no place anywhere, they are Terrorists, the Palestinians though are in their land, they need to evict Hamas from their land and sue for peace, negotiate a two state deal with Israel in peace and prosperity. In the end it won't matter, both Palestinians and Jews will live side by side. But until Hamas is gone, that cannot happen.
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| Monday, July 28, 2014 - 05:07 am Thanks guys wasent expecting anyone to agree with me. I figured someone would call me an anti semite or anti Palestinian. This may be over in a couple of generations anyway. Arabs in Israel will be in the majority unless they somehow lose the right to vote they will change things.
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| Monday, July 28, 2014 - 02:30 pm Hi Alterd. The Zionists have already begun a sterilizing programme against any non white Jew in Israel so I fear your last comment will not come true. Orbiter did you not understand what I mean't by the mark of the beast??? Its a micro chip. They are saying that not only will this micro chip become your passport, bank card, ID card but it will also have Neurotransmitters so to control you if you start thinking outside the box. Anyway thats another convo for another time. Aussi...Why do insist on calling a resistance group terrorists? It was the Zionists that created Hamas to de-stabilise the PLO. Is that the actions of a people who want to live side by side?/ Or actions of a people who want to control?
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| Monday, July 28, 2014 - 05:18 pm Its obvious they are actions of ppl who want control. Israel is not going to stop until the whole of Gaza and whats left of Palestine is theirs. They used Hamas to destabilize the PLO and the region so they wouldn't have to agree to a 2 state deal. I fear this will not be over anytime soon.
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| Monday, July 28, 2014 - 11:22 pm Hey orbiter just because science doesn't hold it's views on the dietary value of potatoes in stone doesn't mean that the outcomes of its methodology are based on cronyism The point of science is that out views of the world are always in flux as we experiment and learn more sure ignorant people can zoom in on one study which is irrelevant and lose sight of the big picture but that is not the fault of science This contrasts with religion which often preaches rigidity of dogma based on old writings..... Which coincidently can also be taken out of context usually with more drastic consequences then a decline in the potato industry Also it doesn't matter if you call it a baby or a fetus... To me at least my views on the topic of abortion are not reduced to such superficial levels....
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| Monday, July 28, 2014 - 11:24 pm Why wouldn't Israel want a two state deal... It seems to me the cost of supporting underdeveloped regions and fighting a war every few years renders having gaza not worth it
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| Tuesday, July 29, 2014 - 12:05 am IMO, the people of palestine need to seriously think about retreating from gaza, at least for a few years.. consider asking syria or IS, for temporary asylum to train their fighters & gain better weapons from their brothers, and maybe by 2018 they can all make a huge push to reclaim QUDS, and jordan too if they did this i beleive they can really change things for the best.
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| Tuesday, July 29, 2014 - 12:24 am The Vatican lays claim to many lands legally. The ones you speak Israel and Gaza are both claimed as legal ownership of the Vatican state based on a deals done before WW1. The Vatican lays claim to it, but no one has worked out this deal yet. This claim is also a claim to the Temple mount and all. To support this the Vatican is the only one who does not recognize Israel as a state, not to say less minor people do not recognize this as well. To do so would make their claims invalid. Which no pope has done, except in 1993 a order was made by the pope to dictate that they want Israel back. This might be a possible end to the violence, but can also mark a time in history that could escalate the violence. What has stopped the Vatican is they have no real army to force their legal claim, but this one day may lead to a peace treaty ushered in by them, but it would never be a 2 state deal. If this is the truth about the true legal ownership then a 2 state deal is still invalid as well as the worlds decree Israel is a state too. As for the science and religion thing, this ties back to the Vatican again.. as they were the suppressing force against such things for some time and why dogma holds a name. The people of old were just doing what they were told, except for a few. well we saw the death of those few very fast in old time history. The Vatican killed anyone who challenged them until the French striped them of their power. Not afraid that the pope won't forgive them of their sins, they killed the pope. Effectively blowing their power out of the water, since it is weakened by this act of history. Wait til they decide to reclaim power that once was its. Even though this act of killing the pope was just a wound to the church, it will one day recover from this wound that almost killed that church. Then they might set lay to their old claims. Then it will be irrelevant for any deals as they will set it straight, prob by deceptions.
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| Tuesday, July 29, 2014 - 05:14 am This thread is getting interesting. There is more truth here on both sides than there is on Fox news these days. cant even watch that channel at least till this war is over.
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| Tuesday, July 29, 2014 - 06:18 am Israel creating Hamas and living in perpetual war, as Jackwagen mentioned, is absurd, I don't see why they would waste time fighting against a small terrorist cell and maintaining Gaza and the West Bank regardless of Sovereignty. MUCH LESS seeing them waste their time fighting against the Arab People, which number in the Hundreds of Millions around the world, while Jewish Israelis and their extremist counterparts the Zionists, number less than 10 Million? Israel accepted a two state deal since the very beginning. I want proof that Israel created Hamas, or this is utter nonsense. Have hope for peace, right now, unfortunately, Israel is controlled by a Nationalist Party, let us hope that if the Israelis indeed wish for peace, as I have seen and heard, they elect a more reasonable government that sees resolution for all people. Altered is right, let democracy do its thing and the things will correct themselves. Although I saw a statistical prediction a few days ago that mentioned Israeli Jews having higher birthrates around 2018 or the 2020's... Regardless I stick with my belief of Hamas, Hamas are terrorists and the Palestinians in Gaza need to wake up and overthrow them... Lets say for a moment that what you're saying is true "Israel created Hamas", isn't there more reason for the Palestinians to overthrow them?? I don't see where the Vatican comes into play here Drys... Where did that come from anyway? Fox News?
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| Tuesday, July 29, 2014 - 06:30 am SUP: that would be a death sentence on Syria. not that one does not hang in the air already. but we are talking about puppet countries. they are only powerful because who backs them. they do not want them destabilized. but you must remember this is 1,000s of years of bad blood between the people who feud. Also, another interesting fact about the temple mount, the dome of the rock is actually placed in a court called the court of the gentiles. this court was not used by the main temple or "Solomon's" temple area. So the dome and a new temple could be placed side by side without the destruction of the other. so for those that think one would have to destroy the dome of the rock to build a new temple could be flawed. This maybe a means to the end of this feud between the two. a lot of it has to do with this one piece of real estate and the history between these two peoples farther than roman times in date. maybe even back to around Egyptian/Babylonian times. yes, alterd, its got interesting. Fox can't beat the people of simcountry!! lol they got nothing on us.
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| Tuesday, July 29, 2014 - 06:57 am Aussteigen: why would it not. they have a rich history in the holy land.. they were custodian over it for 100s of years, they lay claim to it. they also shown they could administer it better than Israel themselves. However they tend to not get along with zionist as mentioned before. Where did this come from, it came from history. a history many know nothing about. I don't watch the news, the news is irrelevant to what is to come as far as where this world is heading. I've seen enough of global warming, wars that were just as real as this game, and other setups that make people look like heros when they are not. who else but a fake missionary of peace to come and help out the zionist and palestinians in their time of need. The Holy See holds claims back to the ottomans in the early 19th century. There have been many negotiations and some speculation that the holy see will administer mount zion again in the recent since 1993. This is why the pope keeps going back to the holy land since. they are another player in this game your talking about with any group you mention.
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| Tuesday, July 29, 2014 - 02:56 pm Hi drys. I fear there will never be a Christian Army due to their crazy belief of the Rapture. Aussi....stop being lazy. You have a computer so you have all the info at the touch of a button. Just be true to your investigation and cross reference all that you see. As for your statement about democracy....Hamas was democratically voted into power and what did the Zionists do??? Again stop being lazy...also while you are looking search for the reason why Gaza voted Hamas into power.....I'll give you a clue....Occupation, blockade, assassinations.
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| Tuesday, July 29, 2014 - 08:18 pm Nix they won't need one. I agree though on terror groups. They are setup by bigger countries/groups to do their dirty work, but usually turn sides eventually when they finally disagree with the ones whom started them. However not all terror groups start that way but many to most do. Just like you said above nix. It's for power or defense or both. It was definitely like you said in your clue. But it can lead to what I spoke of above. Like its destined to happen like it is. If, People won't change something will for better or worse.
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| Tuesday, July 29, 2014 - 10:51 pm Sterilizing Programe that sounds familiar Ugenics i guess or selictive breeding or what ever. It has been said its not viable. I beleive you can breed a person same as a dog if you select for hot chicks with red hair blue eyes and a sweet ass you can do it. I think also you can elimate undesirable elements. But can Jews really stop Arab reproduction and produce more Jews? They (Jews) live in a first world country do you really think they will make more babies. In the uninted states wight people are out produced by a big percent. Thats ok here because we are not trying to create a country that is only wight black latino or asian we are a mix.
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| Tuesday, July 29, 2014 - 10:53 pm Well you get the idea
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| Tuesday, July 29, 2014 - 11:14 pm Hi Alterd. Check out about the sterilization programme against the African Jews. Once they pre-emptive any threat, which will cause a World War in the name of God, anyone who is not proven Jew will not be aloud 300 miles near Israel LOL Hey drys. For the Christians not to have an army is like saying Jesus didn't need to kick off in the Temple against the money lenders ;) Trust Bro. The Christians are getting hammered.....If the Church does not spend its war chest on an Army then it proves how greedy they are LOL
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| Wednesday, July 30, 2014 - 12:38 am WANT TO HELP CREATE A BETTER WORLD! #1. Eliminate all organized/high profit religions #2. Eliminate all who refuse to perform honest labor that benifits the whole community or state #3. Eliminate all ZIONIST, this will help abolish the first 2 more quickly #4. Eliminate poverty & lack of basic needs for the poor #5. Free Education #6. Hygiene Laws #7. Eliminate the supreme court & Federal courts, state courts are just fine to sort out justice of the people #8. No government say in marriage, Civil union should be the law #9. No funding of any other states armed forces, only provide science & basic educational health and food #10.Fair Tax system, nobody pays less or more then his fellow man, whether they be rich or middle class, the goal is majority middle class no man or woman in a equal society should be poor. Pretty simple right? now if only i had the power to make these changes.
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| Wednesday, July 30, 2014 - 01:05 am jackwagen, you seemed to miss the point, of course science assumes that it doesn't know everything, and adjusts as more information becomes available, how ever, religeous based morality, would tell you to turn off your cell phone in a movie theater, before it pisses some one off enough to shoot you. science based morality, would say you have every right, and the other guy just has to deal with it. science, is a tool, not a morality guide, as you said, you aren't confined by my statement of abortion. how ever, science says its not a baby, but a fetus. if you believe that, it removes much of the shame against it. its ok, its not a baby, right? social Darwinism, you can say that has been put down. but the way big business is largely run, with raising prices, companies going over seas, convience fees, CEO bonuses from government pay outs... its like big business feels they have a right to our money, because they can take it. sounds allot like economic Darwinism. it is true, that many horrible things have been done in the name of religion, at least every western religion, but that is based more on the greed of man, than a change of god. god remains the same although, i get that for your average dude, its much easier to believe something that makes since, and God doesn't, and doesn't allow allot of things that most don't have a problem with. the danger i see, is that God doesn't change, its the greed of man that corrupts, science doesn't hold to anything solid, only what you can prove, and that is often funded by those that have already won the greed game
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| Wednesday, July 30, 2014 - 03:18 am Supreme you speak my beliefs also! That would be a government of common sense.
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| Wednesday, July 30, 2014 - 05:25 am Supreme thank god your not in charge Science does not speculate on morality nor should scientific theories be applied to morality Religion should also not speculate on morality.... It is often the case that people confuse morality with obiedience religion teaches obiedience not morality.... Maybe this was useful for controlling the masses back in the day but presently this only creates a dangerous situation (people hating on gays for example) Morality is how groups I people work together an individual doing things that hurt the group is immoral simple as that.... Morality varies depending on the culture and how it developed with a few common denominators like no incest or murder The point is morality is inherent in the human species save psychopaths and this is easily proven by the fact that ever society had morality regardless of their god or lack of one
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| Wednesday, July 30, 2014 - 06:07 am Supreme, your guidelines have already been tried, in Germany, 1933 to 1945.
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| Wednesday, July 30, 2014 - 06:46 am I think jack, you see the error of man in those people. its is nature by science to error and some more prone than others. So, example people hating on gays should never happen moral law of love states bear all things in short that includes the sinner. Now certain religions do preach this way or that. well they are wrong to assume that ones soul should be put in a box of definition. that is to the error of humans misrepresenting the words. just equivalent to science not having enough data to say some thing is good, so it says its bad for what ever part of your body. so avoid this it may be bad. Science and people assume and this is the error of man yet again. the point is where the is a person there is the chance of error and failure. I made my points about big religion, one you may speak of in case point control of the mass public and science or the truth... would you call that a religion that represents a good God? I would point out many even represented in text show the error of man, but the pope is considered not? Doesn't that mean its false representation. the box said jesus, but i only got mary? And to your point morality is found in the spirit and religions are not needed to find this spiritual force. Just faith and such... I am sure you know the drill. All people have a god, Jack... sorry to burst that one thing.. it seems that their god is themselves or something outside themselves. And our world is sick because of this lack of a God of Unity. In Christianity for instance its called the mystery of god. The reason it grasp at one God, but hints at a host of other heavenly creatures combined as well. using the word We or US. United under one GOOD purpose we are one with all and it brings unity and spiritual awakening. then we would not be sick, but of course your really are correct about religions and even the divisions we make. But we unfortunately live in a world of this greed as it was stated. If it hold true money (the love of), greed, is the root to all evil, then why do we allow it if we want a healthy society, not this patchwork society the world has been forced into because of greed. Because of greed we are slaves... hopefully you get a good master in life who pays well. since the whole US monetary system and others in Europe is based on usury in the long run. The government of the bankers of the world can never pay them back, which makes it the same as usury. This makes them have power and its all an illusion. So even the laws are not safe when the banker comes to collect. So who really does own the US, UK, and others? I will have to assume the banker, since they won't give me enough facts to go off of in a scientific manner. Just don't be blind Jack, cause even animals act that way to your point once again. People act like they do when they lose it and they act like they do naturally, as in the don't disturb the pack or heard mentality. You can be an animal or a human being. You can decide who is what. cause I see them all day long. sheep, wolves, and so on. and don't let me forget I see very valuable non animal like people as well. wished the world had more of them, but thats all back to health of the society and were sick still.
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| Wednesday, July 30, 2014 - 07:10 am Supreme you show remarkable (and well damn unfortunate) traits of Nazism. I am very glad you are not in charge. Points 1, 2 and 3 most specifically... I begin to fear on your third point... Germany fell to the claws of people who wanted to "eliminate Zionism" just like you want today... They ended up nearly exterminating the Jews. And before you go about and say that Zionism was born after the Holocaust, it was already there... during the birth and development of Nationalism in Europe that eventually lead to WWI. So if you think eliminating Zionism will make points 1 and 2 easier to get rid off, then I may securely settle in the fact that you want to get rid of Jews. Well if you say the truth Nix then the Palestinians must be as dumb as us Germans before WWII for electing Hamas to power... Although what you say is true Drys, I can't imagine the Dome of the Rock and a Third Temple side by side, that is a recipe for disaster, Jews are not even allowed to enter the Mount to avoid conflict, and yet it happens!
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| Wednesday, July 30, 2014 - 08:17 am Supreme is right in a perfact world that would be the way things work. Sadly it is not a perfact world. I do not think Supreme is spouting Nazi beliefs there is no danger in his statment that would lead to a new push to elimanate jews. But there is a problem with jewish infuance there is a lot of that in america now i must say i have no problem with people getting ahead and making a better life for themselves but i do take issue with a small minority of people having too much influance. Again another disclamer Jewish people have proven themselves over and over again to have an intilect second to none and they have turned a shit back water patch of desert into a first world country. Of course it took bucket loads of cash to do that and jews are good at making money but without there inteligance and inovation it would be a well funded welfare state.
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| Wednesday, July 30, 2014 - 09:20 am I appreciate the support Presidium. And thank you Alterd Carbon for understanding. Now for the gentlemen who took it upon themselves to accuse me of having a "Nazi" ideology haha like i didn't see that coming. Just let me be clear, i am not a "Nazi". And i don't fault you for calling me one either, because i know you and others like you have been brainwashed by the ZIONIST controlled education system, and if one dares to hold beliefs such as mine, the zionist appointed justice system will seek to label us nazis and try to shut down our voice & ideas that interfere with their "Master plans".
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| Wednesday, July 30, 2014 - 01:39 pm Ok my turn again. Supreme again you hit the nail on the head. Medea influance in this country is almost criminal the news out of Shitcago Jewyork and dont forget California (The land of Fruit and Nuts)Is bull the only part i can believe now is the weather there was a time not that long ago when that was the most unreliable part of the news now with pics its the only part we can believe. I'm not sure how all this happend but our president has really fallen down on the job now i know a presedent in the second year of his second term is supposed to go out and raise money for his party, but when you have fires burning hot all over the world it is his job to take things in hand. It really is! But left leaning media is still cutting him slak unbelivable.
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| Wednesday, July 30, 2014 - 03:54 pm To all you neo nazis: the nazis did not only murder jews, but ANYONE they felt as undesirable (according to their own arbitrary ideas). this included anyone who did not toe the party line, anyone who they felt was a threat to the newly established order, personal enemies (real or imagined), homosexuals, intellectuals, artists, in fact anyone whom was deemed 'subhuman' by the edicts of the misguided and self-serving elite. A pox on all nazi thinking. You young whippersnappers never grew up with veterans of the War, or heard their stories. This is dangerous line of thought for any of us, and trust me, it will never happen again as long as there are people who remember the lessons of the past.
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| Wednesday, July 30, 2014 - 04:18 pm Zionists are linked to the heart of the Illuminate. The Illuminate is linked to the heart of the Enlightenment. The Enlightenment is linked to the heart of Understanding. Understanding is linked to the heart of knowledge. Knowledge is linked to the heart of power. Power is linked to the heart of control. Control is linked to the heart of existence. Existence is linked to the heart of energy. Energy is linked to the heart of the Sun. The Sun is linked to the heart of the Universe. The Universe is linked to the heart of the beginning. And the beginning is linked to the heart of the End. The Zionist Illuminate....lets call them....I4. The I4 are engaged in the harnessing of the energy of the Universe by using knowledge of the ancient, which they have hidden from us for 4000 years so as to keep the power. Now this is where it starts to get very dark and gruesome. In fact so dark that its starting to give me nightmares. Because the things they are doing to harness this energy is messed up. Which is why I now bow out of the conversation. I have already limited my findings to males only. And even then I am holding back because if this shit is giving me nightmares I cannot imagine how everyone else will cope. I will now just beg one last time...... STOP KILLING THE CHILDREN
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| Thursday, July 31, 2014 - 12:34 am Yeah I see your point Eb, I agree with your post. Hahaha, now to be clear, none was ever labelled a Nazi, just foreign mention that Supreme there was mentioning a system likened to the traits of Nazism, your points of views though, are very interesting. I am very aware that there are many Jewish leading figures in America, hence your beliefs I assume. And I am not a prey of Zionist Propaganda or branwashing, I don't live in the US. Although Eb's mention of Shitcago and Jewyork was pretty funny... Maclean the Nazis' principal enemy were the Jews, then came all the ones you have mentioned. We know it won't happen again! I grew up with plenty of stories from both World Wars, thanks for reminding us.
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| Thursday, July 31, 2014 - 05:59 am maclean: +1 - I've heard quite the stories and agree, but the remembrance is dying out faster than it should.
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| Friday, August 1, 2014 - 02:29 am I'll be honest drys I barely understand what your saying/writing..... Most assuredly not everyone has a god if someone tells me they don't have a god and then you tell me that they do I'm probably going to agree with the first person.... As for the banker rant idk.... But I don't think our society is simply a ponzi scheme Why do people think the Jews run the world.... Sure they are wealthier on average but that doesn't mean anything... Some of my relatives are Jewish and they are retired and run a bike shop like everyone else.... People who cling to these conspiracy theories need to get out more and see the world it is interesting enough without this horseshit Nix your last post is a slap in the face of logical coherent thought
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| Friday, August 1, 2014 - 02:33 am Reminds me of the scientist in this South Park episode
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| Friday, August 1, 2014 - 02:41 am And I agree wholeheartedly with Maclean and drys about the loss of our memory regarding the holocaust.... I remember our school had a holocaust survivor speaker and i was super excited but it ended up being terrible..... Completely scripted with the overarching lesson apparently being believe in yourself and you can survive the holocaust and oh yah I was ranked 10th in my graduating class.... Cliche and obnoxious.... And then the asinine questions from the audience.... Did you meet Anne frank? I did some research later on and the speaker was like 4 when she went through all this.... Obviously you remember the horridity but hardly old enough to understand what's going on enough to teach on it later.... Very disappointing experience
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| Friday, August 1, 2014 - 05:41 am Its not just a ponzi scheme, its a who controls what and how. one day someone with try to trump them all. This is more than just the jews, they are one simple group out many. there are many large wealthy or powerful groups in the world. You can't look at any subject under one pretense. as far as the god thing, its this simple to me. whatever you have as the most supreme thing in your life is your god. if youre polytheistic then you can say many gods or many supreme things that can hold the same value, but still be something different. you can say you have no god all you want, but the term is as it is, what is most supreme = your god. 1 or a million. doesn't matter. I think it as a constant in the world vs the many inconsistent things. say that of course your god(s) can change over any period of time. and of course you can disagree or agree, it makes no difference... since we can always find ways to agree with each other on different levels. sorry your holocaust experience was not that great, we have a museum near where i live, was a better experience if you'd call it that, since its quite sad we have to call it our worlds history.
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| Saturday, August 2, 2014 - 11:13 am jackw, what does speculate on morality? it is actually the sphere of religion to say what is, and isn't moral, it largely based on your religion. true Christianity, is based on allowing other their view, but maintaining what god allows. Christians face a double standard, no one can be perfect, but the expectancy of that is what brings you to salvation. no one can be perfect, its only the grace of god, that he doesn't just kill us. because he loves those that would choose him, in-spite of the difficulties, for this reason, their will always be difficulties. so the endevour to convert, points at the flaws that we all possess, to create mercy, when your on the short side, it seems hypocritical, its not until you except it, and respect Gods morality, that it makes sence, even thru your own flaws... it is true, the "church" hasn't always been so understanding, but being a christian, isn't what people say, but what god says. what does god say? do justice, love mercy, and walk humidly with your god!
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| Saturday, August 2, 2014 - 04:35 pm Religion and morality are like oil and water.... All you need to do is look through history or at the bitter preacher who thinks everyone who doesn't share his faith is immoral and by extension sub human.... It Is bigotry To think that morality comes from your faith and you do others and yourself a disservice.... Furthermore it is interesting to note that no one in America at least follows the morality of the bible and if they did they would certainly go to jail..... Philosophy is the study that deals with morality not religion which is too authoritarian and not science which has nothing to do with morality at all as per its methodology
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| Monday, August 4, 2014 - 07:49 am good grief Hamas is more like Hummas
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| Monday, August 4, 2014 - 09:05 pm Well the some extreme muslims link morality to their religion... It is ok to kill people in the name of Allah. And the Quran does state that people that don't believe in their god is something less to human... In Saudi Arabia there is a Highway to Mecca (Muslim-Only City) that says "Muslims Only" (http://i1.ytimg.com/vi/pCCnggr5jh8/hqdefault.jpg), outright segregation is something well practiced, as they cannot let the pagan lesser human enter their Holy City. (Morality??) But they decry the treatment they receive in Europe or even in Israel. We also had a holocaust survivor talk to us... It was as I expected it to be. When did this shift over to religion, Gaza ground operation coming to an end (apparently), France has condemned Israel recently (doesn't come as a surprise from a country who is bound to become an Islamic Republic in 40 years...). I think Israel has accomplished what it went to do in the Gaza Strip. To an extent.
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| Tuesday, August 5, 2014 - 06:40 am Ok this is not ment to be an inteligent well thought out statement. I under stand why both sides are fighting. I want to follow up on Aussteign's statement and go one step past that and ask about the failure of multi-coutreism Europe is being over run by people that will not conform learn languages and soak off the goverment. I thank god every day nothing like that happens in America.
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| Tuesday, August 5, 2014 - 05:26 pm Altered: I hope you're being sarcastic.
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| Wednesday, August 6, 2014 - 01:03 am Multiculturalism in Europe? Failed. Turks that settle in Germany either assimilate, or have to go, there's a different story for every Euro country. I don't mind the muslims coming in for a better life, but I dislike them trying to impose their Islamic Law, like assaulting people in the street for not wearing the veil or for being Christian, or even spreading hate propaganda against certain groups for whatever irrational reason. Thank god Turks aren't at all like that though, they usually display their love for both Turkey and Germany. You can see that a lot in their neghbourhoods. I agree with Maclean haha; Mexico and Central America are to the US what Turkey and well... All southeastern european countries are to Germany.
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| Wednesday, August 6, 2014 - 01:32 am I am just a bit sarcastic at times.
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| Wednesday, August 6, 2014 - 02:22 am If America was never inhabited by people who soaked off the land didn't learn the local language or conform to the local culture then America would be a confederation of the Cherokee Iroquois and Navajo
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| Thursday, August 7, 2014 - 05:02 am America is a complex country, if it... wait... Isn't it a continent?
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| Thursday, August 7, 2014 - 06:24 pm America is the world
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| Friday, August 8, 2014 - 05:29 am lol x2 Jack: agreed it is the world. and same on the Indians. Aussteigen, America and Canada make the North American Continent, so not exactly. maybe 2/3 estimated.
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| Friday, August 8, 2014 - 06:07 am mean while back at the ranch
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| Friday, August 8, 2014 - 06:21 am Is that where your killing the children VADER!?
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| Friday, August 8, 2014 - 09:07 am Que sobre mehico ? Tonto drys..... Pobre mehico
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| Friday, August 8, 2014 - 12:34 pm ok, try this on for size: We can all agree that everyone needs to stop killing the children, as per the original title of the thread. any country that puts its children in harm;s way by their policies, should be nuked until they change their methods. If they refuse to change, eventually they will cease to exist. Only a better, more enlightened government with more civilized policies will arise in these countries, thus ensuring the future of any future children. How about it, "the sacrifice of the present to ensure the future" ? I know some of the philosophers and students of ethics will see what i am saying. discussion, please... disclaimer: The author does not advocate the nuking of children, nor their infrastructure. The foregoing is for discussion puposes only. satire and hyperbole should not be taken as advocacy of any action, expressed or implied. Any resemblance to "destroying the village in order to save it" is....well, you know the rest.
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| Friday, August 8, 2014 - 01:52 pm Aussi the Zionists created Multiculturalism to destroy the blood lines of all except themselves. Maclean...I was gonna cus you but I don't think you believe that. Any country that defends its children against occupation, assassination, blockades and weapon tests and war games will always have the backing of the Good. Therefore will always exist. Sniff...sniff....sniff....I smell a rat in the kitchen..... hello Scorpio Shine Forgiveness if you are not who I think you are
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| Friday, August 8, 2014 - 03:51 pm No, i was being ultra-sarcastic. altho it seems evil is winning in this world...
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| Friday, August 8, 2014 - 05:26 pm Of course it seems that way! 1 John 5:10
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| Friday, August 8, 2014 - 07:46 pm Remember the text always intended Good to win. I will look now. I am going for...1 John 5:10 - Bible Gateway 1 John 5:10New International Version (NIV) 10 Whoever believes in the Son of God accepts this testimony. Whoever does not believe God has made him out to be a liar, because they have not believed the testimony God has given about his Son. Serpent...what do you mean by this? maclean....I have always known you are Good Peace&Hardcore This War has just begun mclean. Good does not act in war until all avenues are closed. Like Hamas and the Siege/blockade ect etc
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| Friday, August 8, 2014 - 08:12 pm Jews didn't Create multiculturalism I don't understand the meaning of destroyed bloodlines.... If I married a beautiful Brazilian lass I feel my bloodline would improve (I'm so damn white)
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| Friday, August 8, 2014 - 11:57 pm Maclean "The author does not advocate the nuking of children, nor their infrastructure". I not so sure Bombs always seam to find there way to Playgrounds.
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| Saturday, August 9, 2014 - 03:16 am Im sorry 1John 5:19
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| Saturday, August 9, 2014 - 08:29 am I know Jack. Serp: yup. don't think the misquote was unintentional. i believe that, control of the evil one.
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| Saturday, August 9, 2014 - 12:11 pm @jackwagen; amen, lol, i lived in brazil for 5 years, so i know whereof i speak
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| Saturday, August 9, 2014 - 12:12 pm and whereof you speak, i should have said...
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| Saturday, August 9, 2014 - 04:32 pm Well my point is that according to the bible at 1 John 5:19 the world is in fact currently being controlled by wickedness or evil. This bible fact explains many things.
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| Sunday, August 10, 2014 - 05:06 am I thought the world was controlled by god. Thought he had some divine plan
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| Sunday, August 10, 2014 - 06:14 am According to the bible God is not presently controlling the world. That's why 1John 5:19 plainly says that the WHOLE world is in the power of the wicked one. In fact even the temptation that was presented by Satan to Jesus at Luke 4:5-7 proves this. Because if it was not possible for Satan to offer the 'world' to Jesus for an act of worship, how would it have been a temptation? Also wouldn't Jesus have simply said, 'its not yours to give'. So no, the world is not being controlled by God, if it was things would be different. However, you are right that according to the bible God does have a 'divine plan'.
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| Monday, August 11, 2014 - 04:22 am God is the giver and taker of kingdoms even tho the wicked control the world. God intercedes in many ways, but don't blame him for the hustle and bustle of this world.
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| Monday, August 11, 2014 - 05:11 am Trust me I don't blame god for anything
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| Monday, August 11, 2014 - 06:46 pm If there were a God I'm sure he would have taken me to heaven by now is'nt that what he does when there are people to good for this world? Or at least Fb
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| Monday, August 11, 2014 - 07:44 pm Here is a question. One that all of us should ask ourselves. "If I died today, where would I spend eternity?" As to the inference, "if there were a God" as stated by carbon above...well there IS a God. He is VERY real. I just saw a very thought provoking movie, God is NOT Dead. It talks about athiests and their hatred against God. Have you often wondered why athiests/non-believers are so offended by prayer and the words, In God We Trust, or anything to do with religion or the mere mention of God, period? If they didn't believe, why do they even care????? I think deep down they know, and they FEAR. I think some of the most avid atheists were once believers and "hate" God, because they felt let down or betrayed by Him. What we have to remember that God has given all of us Free Will. Nothing bad in this world can be of God, for God is Good. Disease that kills, sick people who molest or murder helpless children or abuse them.......that is because of Satan, not because of God. Whatever pain or suffering that we endure here on earth will be greatly rewarded by the afterlife in Heaven. Life here is so temporary in comparison to eternity. I think it would be so sad to not believe in God or Heaven. Where would be our sense of right or wrong in the world? Our moral code? Where is any form of hope? How sad a life that would be. Life has a purpose. The purpose is God. What I find so astounding is the number of non-believers out there and even in this game. I can tell you some of the believers and the nonbelievers just in their treatment of other people right here in this game. I don't stand in judgement though, for I know not what they endure in their lives that makes them behave so cold and callous. I can only pray for them. I pray for all of us for none of us are perfect.
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| Tuesday, August 12, 2014 - 01:32 am According to the bible not all 'good' people go to heaven!
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| Tuesday, August 12, 2014 - 03:29 am @toothdecay that movie you saw sounds very fair and unbiased
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| Tuesday, August 12, 2014 - 04:54 am I wonder if atheists would mock or condemn 'Allah' or 'Muhammad' or other religions like they do the God of the bible?
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| Tuesday, August 12, 2014 - 06:15 am They mock all gods... and "higher beliefs" (paranormal). I have a few friends... Not very common down here.
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| Tuesday, August 12, 2014 - 10:30 pm I bet they wouldn't mock them in Syria, Iraq, Iran etc...
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| Tuesday, August 12, 2014 - 11:07 pm You got that right :S
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| Tuesday, August 12, 2014 - 11:13 pm Toothdecay I think to put it simply atheists don't fear god or feel let down by him because they don't think he exists..... I don't like to argue over the existence of god because it involves some esoteric topics and ultimately no one ever changes their mind because of intellectual dialogue... As for saying morality comes from god I find that to be very offensive myopic and does a disservice to all of humanity..... Even the phrase god is good implies goodness is something outside of god something greater then god.... Also saying atheists are cold and callous is a rather stupid thing to say... Generalizations like this rarely hold up to scrutiny.... Atheists regularly do debate Muslims and visit Muslim countries... Obviously religious influence is stronger there and there are less atheists.... As such religious debate between atheists and theists is mostly done in the context of Christianity... But the same arguments apply... I don't think it has anything to do with fear as I think your implying.... Not everyone thinks the Muslims are going to get us Also I imagine there are some laws in those countries which prohibit blasphemy we are lucky to not have such laws in America ... Not to mention its expensive to travel tree just to say "I piss on god"...
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| Wednesday, August 13, 2014 - 05:05 pm Oh yes, Jackwagen, the all-knowing and wise one, who likes to see himself type. Athiest, non-believer spews forth from you like molten lava from an erupting volcano. As if I or any Christian would give any credence to what you say. Just saying. I also, am of the belief, that to debate religion is pointless. We all have our belief systems and I'm sure points in a game forum would not deter them. FURTHERMORE, one has to point out, does a religious debate belong in a game forum, when it only sparks the offensive with the games' customers? May God have mercy on all of you, for the day of judgement is near. As I asked, if you died today, where would you spend eternity?
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| Wednesday, August 13, 2014 - 05:34 pm TOOTHDECAY, live for the moment, Lord knows I'm gonna die. And when I get to hell, Lord knows I'm gonna fry!
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| Wednesday, August 13, 2014 - 07:57 pm Supreme, you may think you are being "cutesy" and "witty", but I rather pity that you can take such a carefree attitude of where you would spend eternity, providing of course that you are a believer. Such a sad state of people these days. No wonder there is so much murder, crime, people hurting other people, children killing children. It is people such as you who are role models to children and others that evoke such antipathy towards the entire concept of goodness and God. I pity you. I pray for your souls. No wonder there is so much hate in you. All of this is prophesized in Revelations, you know. You nonbelievers should educate yourselves and stop taking the "easy" way out. I can say this, it is not I who am to judge. What you do during your time on earth is between you and God. God is a merciful God, but it clearly states, unless you accept HIS Son as your Lord and Savior, you will not enter into the Kingdom of Heaven. :-(
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| Wednesday, August 13, 2014 - 08:06 pm For Everyone: Our Father, Who art in heaven Hallowed be Thy Name; Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done, on earth as it is in Heaven. Give us this day our daily bread, and forgive us our trespasses, as we forgive those who trespass against us; and lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil. Amen. @Serpent: The weak mock and condemn what they fear most...whether it be God, a coworker, or even another player in this game. Those who "attack" often times find themselves to be very inadequate and have a great desire to "lash out."
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| Wednesday, August 13, 2014 - 09:16 pm I don't see what my thoughts on religion has to do with people respecting what I say.... You're quite asinine Toothdecay Furthermore crime is not caused by people not being Christian.... In fact some of the greatest crimes of history were perpetuated by religion... You're just filled with misconceptions aren't you
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| Wednesday, August 13, 2014 - 09:17 pm And why do you keep saying you're under attack... No one is attacking you stop trying to play the victim
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| Wednesday, August 13, 2014 - 10:45 pm Jackwagen, I never stated that I was under attack or that I am a victim. Again in your anger, you misinterpret all together what I was trying to say. I just shake my head at people like you........filled with anger and wanting to lash out. I have stated nothing here but my opinion. Why are you so angry? I've not been angered by anything you have said. Again, you must be filled with some sort of loathing for those who are different from you or possess a feeling of inadequacy. What I was stating above was a generalty and not specifically stated at you alone, per se. But you have just demonstrated that you fall into that category of the "angry" and those who feel a need to "lash out.". Good luck to you in life. YOu are going to need it. My debate with you has ended. I don't choose to put myself in the pathway of angry and disturbed people.
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| Wednesday, August 13, 2014 - 11:37 pm Dude what's you're problem I'm not disturbed angry or depressed And you just said it again that I'm lashing out and attacking you which I'm not It may sound priggish but i shake my head at people like you
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| Thursday, August 14, 2014 - 02:14 am I agree with Supreme. When i go to hell i hope for just one if i cant take it with me hopefully i'll at least be able to bring marshmellows
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| Thursday, August 14, 2014 - 05:40 am wow this blew up fast! lol Throws marshmallows at sup and AC. @ toothdecay: I think the argument you pose is by far covered in the text you believe in and I think you need to reread those text again. Live more like Daniel then Nimrod and wake up. @Jackwagen: I respect your opinion whether we agree or not. I do not think a christian should represent themselves outside the principals it teaches and I do not speak of the verbatim reading but more on the scale of symbolism brought to a practical level to our times. To share, which is better than arguing meaningless points, I like reading in between the lines. To explain Daniel in the lions den is also representation of where he lived and the times of so many religions and people who wished him ill because of his successes (the lions). He was trapped there by contract for 70 years. a prisoner. Here is the difference, He lived his life and it showed what he believed. He did not argue about null points and meaningless religions. He just stuck to what he believed and never fail to cease from it. He did not go running around yelling and screaming arguments about you need god. As James points its justified in the works that are work through a person. So I hope you understand I am sorry that my God has been represented to you in this manner. It won't change what I believe and that won't change what you believe. As change comes from within to the outside not from the outside inward. I am sorry that grace and mercy with a bear all attitude was not done justice here. ***throws out some more marshmallows to sup and EB. lol you guys. what song was that SUP? OH! STOP KILLING THE CHILDREN! COME ON ITS JUST SICK.
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| Thursday, August 14, 2014 - 07:26 am Calm down, children . We all have our beliefs and convictions about morality and God, and it tis good to share, as long as we can discuss it without rancor. brotherly love, people. Now continue the discussion...
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| Thursday, August 14, 2014 - 07:30 am For what it's worth, I am a 'faltering' christian who respects the rights of Israel to thrive, and i have many questions as i get older; such as god, and good vs evil, etc...Things are not so black-and -white as when i was a young buck, it seems...
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| Thursday, August 14, 2014 - 08:35 am Very interesting... It somehow seems that religion and the lack-thereof, can't be discussed without a certain degree of escalation to it... Ever.
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| Thursday, August 14, 2014 - 09:23 am Indeed nothing is black and white which makes me wonder how people can take such strong stances on cases like Israel Palestinian conflict...
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| Thursday, August 14, 2014 - 03:16 pm Aussteigen: yes, i have a friend that you cannot talk about certain subjects cause it brings the devil out of him in conversation. Ie: religion, politics, and such. makes him mad to talk about it. so I stick with little things and we are great friends and get along. I guess it is because of the absolute opinions people make. Not that they are wrong, but they don't back down and realize we can agree to disagree. There is no fault in that. Maclean: very grey area... That is why we should not judge. I think your right on my point. Pushing only pushes people away. Also this is a theory that I liked and show the grey area. it goes: all things are neutral until you assign them a good or bad use, then they turn good or bad. So guns for example are neutral, use it for defense it can be good, but use it to kill Jackwagen (be a good sport now) and it now is murder and the object is bad. That neutral is the grey areas we so often see. Like the gun doesn't kill the person pulling the trigger does. Of course Ideas fall into this theory as well. Another example would be God created this or that, then it says he saw it was good. He assigned it good, but until that judgement it was only neutral. However, there are some constants, your black and white, so don't forget most are variables, but some things are black and white.
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| Thursday, August 14, 2014 - 10:46 pm Slightly off topic but still relivent anyone remember the origanal Star Trek show with the people fighting each other over black and wight one group of people were black on the left the others were black on the right. Just shows the stupidity of Man.
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| Friday, August 15, 2014 - 03:26 pm @ Aust I agree. A religious debate does not belong in a game forum. It is not relevant to the game. @ Drys I just say, stuff a sock in it. None of my posts had anything whatsoever to do with you.
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| Friday, August 15, 2014 - 06:00 pm Breaking news! Obama rolled over, farted and went back to sleep
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Friday, August 15, 2014 - 10:45 pm
Actually though its not the object (in this case the gun) thats bad, its the use or misuse of it thats bad. Drunk people drive cars and crash into people and kill them, but the car isnt bad, its the misuse of the car by the drunk driver. I rarely think there are 'grey' areas. The great majority of stuff is black and white. True, some people put more emphasis on certain things and therefore its more valuable to them, but that does not change the fact if something is right or wrong does it? Can you maybe give us an example to consider?
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| Saturday, August 16, 2014 - 12:29 am Nice post Serpent I'm still thinking most everything is gray.
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| Saturday, August 16, 2014 - 03:46 am Serpent I do agree. I was only referencing one part of it that you don't think is important but it can be. energy bad or good can be transferred to it. A simple your action is the method to transfer the curse on it since used in bad motive as with the gun. the drunk driver situation more describes something that is neutral the intent was have good time and get home with out a hassle that ended in a fatality. in the murder situation a pure bad motive caused the transfer. the drunk driver is more like a very tragic trespass on another. It the energy/motive that can create a void and something will fill the void. Idols and worshiping them may be false, in opinion, but it creates energy from a mass of people. something is going to fill it and if the evil rules the world, then for sure something evil will fill it.. @TOOTH: i restate my previous statement and add its a public forum. anyone can and will respond. BTW we don't wear socks in Florida, so, HIGHLY doubt I will be sticking a sock anywhere. Be sure to pull your foot out of your mouth before you respond next time, you seemed at a loss for words.
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| Saturday, August 16, 2014 - 07:12 am That was a good episode.
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| Saturday, August 16, 2014 - 03:38 pm I worry that evil has compromised us so much that it has removed all ability for us to stop and think about what we are doing. Evil has created a system that relies on action without the time to think about consequence of such action. I like the analogy that everything is neutral until it has a action applied to it. The key to doing good action is removing 99% of reaction that will be bad. This takes a lot of time to do any action. And in this system of distraction, desire and action we have no time to think before we act for the if we did the moment would pass us. You have to give it to the Evil ones...they have nearly mastered the art of being Slave masters. Only thing that got in their way of true control was their underestimation of the will of the Good to seek out and expose the truths. This might be why they are now talking about the internet being culled of all Web-sites that are deemed dead. But is that not like going into a library and saying burn that book because only a few have read it this year? I worry they are trying to get the internet back under control and only showing info that they want us to know about?
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| Saturday, August 16, 2014 - 05:22 pm now nix that is not too far off of an idea. since many may mock it as paranoia. even 1984 (the book) shows a good example of this. Notice the cameras in america has doubled. public ones. the next thing US is going to do is bio metric scan you for a SSN card. face recognition + double the cameras again. its being done in europe too! found a video show how to do it from their government. instructional almost to the point of those you see on how to ride a ride at a theme park. They can find you anywhere, cell phone, a road camera, satellites, ect... is this what we want? I don't and nix you are very correct socialism is on the rise. to give a US example all green card reknewals now include pictures of face and such and scanned in fingerprinting. then a special card with all that info on it is given to the green card holder. true story from someone it happened too. Its in the immigration law to do so. may explain why snowden went crazy at what he saw. this is only speculation.
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| Sunday, August 17, 2014 - 01:51 am Yeah Lenpeat isn't telling us everything... He is hiding something
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| Monday, August 18, 2014 - 04:48 am Altered: I remember that Star Trek episode, too. Good one. To some others, too : Yes, we are going down a road that may lead to totalitarianism. Yes, there are some things that ARE black-and-white,; I didn't mean to imply that everything was gray, just that more things seem shades of gray now than they did when i was an idealistic young'un. I also find that I have a lower tolerance to bull$h!t than i used to. Gettin' ornery in my old age, i reckon...
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| Tuesday, August 19, 2014 - 11:09 pm I'd love to reply I just don't have much to say.
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